Talk:La Voisin

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Untitled[edit]

Other information (in french) about the 'Poison Affair' on :

fr:Affaire des poisons
fr:L'Affaire des poisons (film)
and also l'Affaire des poisons on Internet Movie Database

Ma'ame Michu 09:20, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Spelling of her name?[edit]

It is alternately spelled with (Montvoisin) and without (Monvoisin) a T throughout the article. Which is correct? I know that in French there is no difference in pronunciation between the two, which might lead to this confusion. Google seems to turn up considerably more hits for "Monvoisin." I am changing all spellings in this article to this version - if anyone finds more information, please add on here! SeaworthyViolin 16:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Black Mass[edit]

The description of the black mass ("an abominable parody in which the host was compounded of the blood of a little child mixed with horrible ingredients") is not only POV, but is also in conflict with the black mass article as it stands. For now I am changing it to "a parody of the Christian mass" and anyone with more information is free to add on. SeaworthyViolin 16:06, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You say that it is POV, but it sounds more like a quote. The fact is, however, that the statement is actually accurate - it matches the testimony from the trail. Additionally, you are ignoring the goals of their "Black Mass". It was not to make a parody of anything, but to obtain practical results (such as the love of the King of France, or the death of enemies) for La Voisin's very rich clients.Jimhoward72 (talk) 03:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that is a quote from the book by Anne Somerset - The Affair of the Poisons: Murder, Infanticide, and Satanism at the Court of Louis XIV (St. Martin's Press (October 12, 2003) ISBN 0-312-33017-0, as well as a quote from a statement made by one of the investigators. I have the book (which is out of print) and can look it up. We should put it in quotes and reference it if it is indeed a quote by the author of the book or somebody else. Editors must recall that we are talking about a viewpoint from history and not some viewpoint from the Church of Satan or current Satanic viewpoints. This all took place during the reign of Louis XIV and therefore the conclusions drawn by the inquiry at the time will be colored by the prevailing views of that time period. This Scandal was so huge, lurid and decadent that some historians credit it with having weakened the Monarchy and the position of the Aristocracy in general so much that it may have helped lead to the violent nature of the French Revolution 2 Generations later! The shocking statements of outrage and graphic imagery discussed in the testimony were well in keeping with prevailing beliefs about witchcraft and satanic rites at that time. Give me a few days and I'll try and find the source of that quote, if indeed it is a quote. If it is merely some sensational exposition on Somerset's part, we'll quote her.LiPollis (talk)

Her picture?[edit]

There is a well-know portrait of her, surprising it hasn't been added yet.Jimhoward72 (talk) 08:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 02:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

La Voisin[edit]

It says that it means the neighbour in French but this is ungrammatical. It's either le voisin (male neighbour) or la voisine (female neighbour). La Voisin simply means The Voisin so I'm removing the translation. Nothingbutmeat (talk) 19:09, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Murderer or poison provider?[edit]

I wonder if its correct to categorize her as a murderer. Mainly, she appears to have sold poision to people who wished to comit murder, rather than to having comitted murder herself. To sell the weapon murderers use to comit murder is not the same thing to comit murder oneself. That is a distinction Wikipedia should make. --Aciram (talk) 15:04, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]