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WikiProject Cities[edit]

Hey all, I'm the WikiProject Cities assessor of this article. If feedback is what you want and need, come to my talk page and give me a holler! --Starstriker7(Say hior see my works) 22:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Carlo Bilbao[edit]

Carlo Bilbao - guitar genius of the psychedelic rock band "Captain". one of the most underrated guitar players in the world. Invented the "Flaming slide Guitar" Famous for his guitar sound effects without really using any, his synchopated guitar phrasing and approach and his distinct tone. Influenced by blues and rock and roll. Born to Estrellita Decena and Jaime Bilbao on September 19, 1974. Has 3 other brothers Radough, Joaquin and Adlofo.


Official Name and Nervion[edit]

The ofcial Basque name of Bilbao is not Bilbo but Bilbao itself. Nevertheless Bilbo is a popular colloquial name for the city in both Basque and Spanish. BIlbo is not the "colloquial" name in basque, is the ONLY name in basque, Bilbao is the old basque name.

Also the official name for the province is not anymore Vizcaya (Spanish spellin) but Bizkaia (Basque spelling, slightly different pronunciation).

Another error is that the river is officially the Ibaizabal. This is matter of confussion because both rivers the Nervión (Basque "Nerbioi") and Ibaizabal meet shortly before entering the city and reaching the stuary (precisely in Bilbao). The Ibaizabal is a longer river and therefore, according to all geographic criteria should be considered (and actually is considered offcially) the river that reaches Bilbao but centuries of Spanish (Castilian) influence have made the Nervión much more known, because its course was approximately that of the roads that went into Castile.


Anyhow, officially at least, Bilbao has the official name of "Bilbao" both in Basque and Spanish, the province of which is capital has the offcial name of "Bizkaia" (though is known as Vizaya in other parts of Spain) and the river that ends its course in Bilbao is officially the "Ibaizabal" (meaning "wide river") and not the Nervión/Nerbioi, which is just an affluent of the former.

I can tell, because I live there.

No, it's not true, the Ibaizabal is shorter (60km). Nervion is considered to be the main river because it's longer (75km), and it's more acurate to say "Nervion-Ibaizabal" system, and Ria de Bilbao from where they meet to the sea. The historic importance you say is more a POV thing, since some prefer Ibaizabal to be the main river because it's an entirely Basque river. I also live there.David 10:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree with you. The Ibaizabal carries much more water than the Nerbion when they unite, and the Nerbion gets in the path of the Ibaizabal. It is called Nerbion because of tradition, but it should be called Ibaizabal.

Bye. Likirman 18:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

  • You don't agree, that's perfect. We all have our opinions, but Wikipedia needs the facts. The explanation given above is the most accurate geographical description. Opinions are POV.David 11:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The official name of the city in Basque as regulated by Euskaltzaindia is BILBO (http://www.euskaltzaindia.net/arauak/dok/ProNor0145.pdf). "Bilbao" is just the old Basque form.

House of Basque Government[edit]

The house of the government of Autonomous Basque Community is not in Bilbo (castilian Bilbao) but in Gasteiz (castilian Vitoria). Where did you take that it's going to be built in Bilbao?

Pais Vasco/Basque Country/Euskadi[edit]

I didn't go as far as to change it in the article, but why is Euskadi referred to in the article in castillian? Would it not make more sense to either call it 'Euskadi' or 'Basque Country'? If it has an english name, shouldn't it be used instead in the english wikipedia?

Motto[edit]

The "invicta" phrase is more a title or honour than a motto. It was conceded by kings, not chosen by the local rulers. --Error 21:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bilbo swords[edit]

This is a miscellaneous item of information, of maybe some interest: in Early Modern england certain type of sword was named as bilbo, in obvious reference to its Basque origins (Basque metallurgy was important even in Medieval times).

This name appears in Shakespeare's The Merry Wives of Windsor, when Pistol says:

Ha, thou mountain-foreigner! Sir John and Master mine,
I combat challenge of this latten bilbo.
Word of denial in thy labras here!
Word of denial: froth and scum, thou liest! [1]

The connection is well documented and I feel the issue does deserve a mention in the article. But I'm usure where to place it. Probably in a new section but should it be "Miscellanea", "References to Bilbao in English culture" or what?

Please discuss.

In relation with this, I intuitively think that the name of Tolkien's main character Bilbo Baggins, may derive indirectly from Bilbao, via Tolkien's own cultural references. Yet I can't document this assumption. Maybe there's some Tolkien-fanatic around that can shed light. --Sugaar 22:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe better forget this last part. I made some online search and, while I found a vague reference in Hexapedia, I also found an article that says that there seems to be a teddy bear of the Tolkien family that had that name [2]. --Sugaar 22:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Betacommandbot is wrong (like almost always). I have removed that tag as the rationale is in the cpyright tag itself. --Sugaar (talk) 11:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's going on in Bilbao?[edit]

From August the 16th to August the24th, Bilbao will be holding its Semana Grande festivities, which is Bilbao's main event of the year. Howevever, like many other events of the city, it's not listed here and listing every Bilbao event up-to-date in Bilbao's article could be kinda difficult. That's why, having read the Wikipedia:External_links and willing to contribute, we've added an external link to a page that contains events taking place in Bilbao worldwide users have entered for free. The page can be seen at Events in Bilbao with interactive map. If you feel linking to that page is inappropriate, could you please discuss. Thanks.--QuoVadisLive (talk) 09:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is inappropiate indeed if you read the Wikipedia guidelines on external links, and besides I'm sorry but your page is... well... horrible! and my browser got hanged twice! But that may be my problem, you could argue. However, the Semana Grande is quite well documented in the article, it seems that you didn't read it or even that you don't care, thats why your link is quite suspectful as spam. In short, why do we need here a link to say "The Aste Nagusia starts this saturday" when it is clearly explained in the article WHEN it starts every year and what is all about?David (talk) 10:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello David and thanks for your feedback. Sorry to hear our website is not up to your taste and that you had a problem with your browser. You say the page is horrible. Fine. How do you think we could make it better? Any ideas? Now the fact is that before we've added the external link we've carefully read the article on Bilbao and the Wikipedia:External_links and we thought something was missing although there is a few lines on la Semana Grande. In the external link we've provided, and you've unfortunately removed, there is not only the event on Semana Grande, which is in this page instead, but any event that takes place in Bilbao and users log for free in our website. Why don't you try it yourself and let us know how we can make things better? And before removing the external link, why not giving other users a chance to see for themselves and see what they have to say? David: what would you change to the Bilbao events page you've seen so an external link to it deserve to be added to the existing external links list? Thanks.--QuoVadisLive (talk) 16:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please, read carefully WP:EL#ADV. If you own the website you should not link to it, as it is considered spamming. About the site itself, please read Wikipedia:Accessibility. And just a technical comment, the page causes a fatal error using IE6 and Windows 2000. Cheers!David (talk) 06:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi David. Having read the WP:EL once more it seems we've missed that one which was quite big indeed. Well we can only apologise for the inconveniene we might have caused and hope to find other ways to contribute to Wikipedia. BTW thanks for reporting the error. We have already forwarded the matter to our development team. Thanks again and hope to see you soon in our website where your contributions would be very appreciated! Regards,--QuoVadisLive (talk) 10:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Current translation[edit]

I think the work being done is positive, as there is some relevant information in the Spanish wiki that was missing... but, some sections had also relevant information in English. The previous Demographics section, for example, had some recent information that is totally missing in the translated text... so why not MERGING instead of plainly translating?David (talk) 07:21, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am merging, don't worry, everything that was said in English is also said in this translation (check climate, for example). And the Demographics section is just a mistake of mine, i was about the edit the section, but had to do something and accidently saved without adding anything. I will restore the info as soon as I can ;) Fernando Pasc 10:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernando (talk • contribs) [reply]
Great Fernando! good job... cheers! David (talk) 11:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start working on it as well. Serioana (talk) 05:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Twin cities[edit]

[3] Is there any reference about Bilbao's twin cities (particularly Surakarta)?

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Wrong stadium information[edit]

In the sport section, the San Mames stadium is mentioned as the oldest stadium in Spain; Atletico Bilbao recently built a new stadium right next to the old one and the name is the same. They no longer play in the oldest stadium in Spain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.198.44.254 (talk) 00:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GLAM-wiki events in Bilbao?[edit]

Hi All, I'm posting to try to find a contact for GLAM-wiki events in Bilbao. I am in contact with a major Bilbao art Museum that wants to be part of an international Edit-a-Thon with a New York Museum, which is set to take place in October. They are looking for GLAM-wiki contacts, a Spanish Wikipedia chapter, and/or Bilbao Wikimedians that would want to attend or participate in some way. I am in New York City and have little familiarity with the GLAM-wiki community in Bilbao at this time. Thanks! OR drohowa (talk) 13:44, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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outstanding people from Bilbao[edit]

To be honest, this sounds a bit...pompous. I think it would sound better if it said Notable instead of outstanding. Norum 23:16, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Is the 'Historical population' table necessary?[edit]

Hello, I would like to propose the removal of the 'Historical population' table in the Demographics section. The section itself is rather small (with only two paragraphs) and the table is pushing the other two figures too far down (well into the 'Government' section, which it would benefit from a picture of the city hall or Biscayan government building, currently impossible to fit due to the aforementioned tables). The graphic displaying the demographic evolution between 1900 and 2005 I think already does a good job portraying the demographic evolution.--Metroxed (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As there have not been any arguments against it, I will proceed to remove it for the reasons explained above.--Metroxed (talk) 10:58, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Climate extremes data[edit]

The climate extremes data seems to be very inaccurate. Meteorological data has historically been very sparse in Spain, there have been very few professional weather stations across the country until recent decades. The only sets I know of of good historical data across the whole country are from the airports and a very few other weather stations that have been established historically (such as Igeldo in Donostia). This is now available through AEMET/AENA. Data from AEMET (under "efemerides") indicate a maximum historical high temperature for Bilbao (airport) of 42.0°C on 26 July 1947[1], which is already a very high temperature. I have to doubt that it has ever been 46°C in Bilbao and I wonder where the website that proposes this figure, climatebase.ru, gets their data from. They give very little information about themselves or their data or anything else on their website -- do they make it up? What weather stations are they using for data? Or is it based on algorithms like meteoblue? I'm not sure this is a reliable source at all. That is quite an extreme temperature indeed and they would need to support it with more information.

The Basque Government through Euskalmet has established a great number of additional weather stations, one in the Deusto neighborhood of Bilbao, for instance, is relevant here, but they have not all existed long enough (not sure when the Deusto station was established) to get good historical data such as temperature extremes. 50 years of data is usually a minimum and 100 or more is much better to really judge climate extremes. In any case, Euskalmet does not make it easy to use their data, their data export features and their OpenData files are quite obtuse and require specialist software and knowledge to use. I cannot find any way to easily get data out of their extensive database. (Extensive, but not as far as I can tell, containing long enough sets of historical data.)

I propose relying on AEMET data for Bilbao airport for the extreme temperature data, there being no other reliable and usable source I know of. Stycklyr (talk) 10:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.aemet.es/es/serviciosclimaticos/datosclimatologicos/efemerides_extremos*?w=0&k=esp&datos=det&x=1082&m=13&v=todos

Lee Kuan Yew World City Prize[edit]

I was surprised by the claim that the Lee Kuan Yew World City Prize is the "Nobel" for urbanism, since I study in that field and my colleagues and I do not perceive the award that way. I did some research and was not able to find any support for the claim in the article text that the Government of Singapore awards the prize "in collaboration with the Swedish Nobel Academy." The citation is to an article in Spanish that merely states the claim that the prize is perceived as the "Nobel" for cities, not that the Swedish Nobel Academy has any role in its award. Indeed, the website for the prize lists 11 partner organizations, but the Academy is not one of them. Googling "Lee Kuan Yew World City Prize Nobel" produces no references to any collaboration between Singapore's government and the Academy. Given this lack of evidence and inconsistency with the text of the cited source, I am going to delete the "in collaboration with the Swedish Nobel Academy" phrase from the article.

Even then, I would like to go further and delete the phrase "Considered the Nobel Prize for urbanism" from the article too. This is a strong claim. Nobel Prizes are widely recognized not just in their disciplines but among laypeople as well. The Lee Kuan Yew World City Prize does not even have its own article on this website, instead redirecting to the World Cites Summit article. References online to the prize as being the "Nobel for urbanism" are very limited and tend to come from the either the official websites of cities that have received the award or local news sites that seem to regurgitating official press releases about the awards. Notably, Singapore's official website on the prize does not mention any comparison to the Nobel.

Currently Wikipedia does list this prize as the Nobel for urbanism on the Nobel equivalents page. The four sources listed again tend to come from boosterish local sites, not independent sources from within the field of urbanism, urban planning, urban design, etc., never mind generic media that would indicate common usage akin to the Fields Medal being the "Math Nobel." In light of all of this, I think there is a case both to remove the "Nobel for urbanism" comparison from this article, from other city articles where it may appear, and possibly from the "List of prizes known as the Nobel or the highest honors of a field" article. I am not going to make those changes at this time, as I think some discussion is warranted. Michaelw3793 (talk) 14:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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