Talk:Alexandre Dumas fils

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Work in progess....DW

Technically though, Alexandre Dumas, fils was an octoroon, and not a mulatto, right? —Gabbe 15:01, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)

Mulatto was the term Dumas and his father used and seems appropriate.

right. his father's father's mother was black. that makes him ⅛. Colorfulharp233 00:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Refering to his great-grandmother as a "young black Haitian" is inappropriate since she was never young in his lifetime and could be seen as using innuendo disapproving of the relationship or the race mixing. The word "young" was removed.

"Playwrighting career"???? Playwright is a noun, not a verb. It does not take the -ing ending. Perhaps "play writing" career is what was meant. The -wright in playwright is unrelated to the verb to write except as a pun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 18:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

why the comma before "fils" or, for that matter, "pere"? since these are french words, with no comma to precede them in the original language, shouldn't the english rendition follow suit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.85.202.76 (talk) 06:26, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Alexandre Dumas, père which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 23:00, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Italicizing “fils”[edit]

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This article needs to make up its mind. Is “fils” italicized or not? —174.141.182.82 (talk) 07:38, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, per MOS:FOREIGN. It is now marked up properly as {{lang|fr|fils}}. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:32, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Alexandre Dumas fils/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

The previous entry offered only a vague overview with no evidence of the whole range of Dumas fils's works having been read, let alone assessed. The latest addition is the most complete assessment available anywhere.

Last edited at 17:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 07:14, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 1 July 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandre Dumas, fils → Alexandre Dumas fils – Per MOS:JR. Sources do not consistently render this (including the ones used in the article). Variants like "Alexandre Dumas fils", "Alexandre Dumas Fils", "Alexandre Dumas, fils", "Alexandre Dumas, Fils", "Alexandre Dumas (fils)", and "Alexandre Dumas (Fils)" (with and without italics on the word) show up in RS; so, just do what the guideline says with regard to the comma (RS seem to favor lowercase, which makes sense per French capitalization rules which are different from those of English). The comma wasn't even being consistently used in this article (I've since removed it to comply with the guideline). The comma here is even less useful than it would be in "Robert Downey Jr.", since the italics around the French term in our prose – Alexandre Dumas fils – already set it off from the name itself. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 17:25, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. As I stood before his grave last year, and then walked around it, as a veteran of the comma wars (which may be stirring again, to arms two arms?) I saw that even his gravestone gives him no cover, so to speak. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:58, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support—and I like Randy's sense of humour. Tony (talk) 02:29, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:29, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Question, I'm assuming that the nom includes the italics for fils, which seems to be the standard for the form. Correct? Randy Kryn (talk) 10:04, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It probably should, but this spawns a related question. In the template {{Alexandre Dumas}}, there is a reference to Junior that uses the {{lang}} template for the fils part. It looks fine when you just display the template, but when it's transcluded the brackets are not processed correctly. The template language is beyond the capabilities of this humble Java geek, so I leave it for the experts (looking at you, SMcCandlish). Favonian (talk) 10:53, 7 July 2018 (UTC) Ah, you're both gurus. Looking at you cross-eyed then. Favonian (talk) 10:56, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Randy Kryn: Yes; they're just not literally part of the page title; we do it with {{italic title}}. Favonian: Fixed; it was a result of recent changes to the {{lang}} template; under various circumstances a {{nocat|y}} must be included. I've suggested changes, at Template talk:Lang, to bypass this sort of problem. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:31, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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