Talk:Sidney Gottlieb

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 1 September 2020 and 18 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Locust Socks.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 09:19, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Reverts

King Turtle, do not censor my information under the guise of a revert.--AI 09:45, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

King Turtle explained his revert, it was not unfounded so I am taking back this personal comment that I directed at King Turtle. --AI 21:49, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Attribution

Please indicate the sources for your information - this is part of NPOV. Irmgard 13:32, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What content are you disputing?--AI 22:46, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Irmgard, this was one of the first articles I wrote and regrettably I didn't log the references I used. (Some of them were government documents, btw) I believe others who are familiar with the subject can also verify that this article does not contain innacuracies. Give me time and I will try to reference EVERYTHING written in this article. You can help verify it if you search for Gottlieb plus keywords in google.com. --AI 21:42, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

For now I'll provide Googles search results: Results 1 - 10 of about 7,690 for "Sidney Gottlieb" --AI 22:19, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Article: "The Maddest Mad Scientist"

"The Maddest Mad Scientist" The CIA’s Dr. Sidney Gottlieb Excerpt from the book "THE WORLD'S WORST: A Guide to the Most Disgusting, Hideous, Inept and Dangerous, People, Places and Things on Earth" by Mark Frauenfelder ISBN: 0811846067 ..."After hours of hotly contested debate, the artist decided to pay his part of the bill and go home, but one of the strangers—a man with a clubfoot—insisted on buying him a drink as a way to make up for their argument. Instead of calling over the waiter who’d been serving drinks to the party all evening, the clubfooted man went to the bar himself and bought a Chartreuse for Glickman. "Before he even finished his cocktail, Glickman began to feel "funny." The walls appeared to move, the electric lights in the café were ringed with halos, and wine bottles seemed to levitate on Glickman’s silent behest. Another member of the party told Glickman that he was now capable of "performing miracles." "Unbeknownst to Glickman, the clubfooted man had spiked his drink with LSD."...

An anonymous user (User:24.218.199.120 posted this article. I don't think it is necessary to have it all here, so I trimmed it down to a shorter excerpt. The full article can be found through google if you follow this link: Results 1 - 10 of about 170 for "The Maddest Mad Scientist" Gottlieb. I am not endorsing this as an authentic story, but it is not suprising consiering Sidney Gottlieb. --AI 22:07, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Colonel?

"Perhaps the timely death of Col Gottlieb. opened the door." - Col. L. Fletcher Prouty[1] Was Sidney Gottlieb a Colonel? --AI 23:34, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

He was never in the military, although his civilian rank would be equivalent to that of a Colonel or higher. --208.52.112.70 02:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Citations

This article is in need of good citations to back up its many assertions— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.12.102 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

QJ/WIN?

Gottlieb was not QJ/WIN! Accoriding to the Church Committe, Agent QJ/WIN was a foreign agent with a criminal background under Bill Harvey's Executive Action Program ZR/Rifle. The agent's name was never disclosed as per intelligence doctrine of keeping sources secret.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.88.178.70 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

German scientist?

I wouldnt be surprised is he was an imported post-war German "scientist" with fraud identity brewed by US government. This is just a comment and a thought that I think is worth to think about.

I think, that is the case. Joseph Schneider (typical German name), born in the Bronx? No way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.255.19.151 (talk) 06:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

- No, Schneider was no German at all. He was a native American of Jewish cultural heritage. It is an interesting challenge to find out why he changed his name. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.184.138.108 (talk) 18:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

- Nice attempt to alienate the monster but I'm afraid that the Yanks have to take responsibility here. Of course you learned how to cover your tracks from the mistakes of the Nazis so the chances of taking responsibility are slim to none. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.231.245 (talk) 13:55, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Vietnam

"Less known was an operation within the CIA's Phoenix Program in Vietnam where a team of CIA psychologists performed mind control experiments on NLF suspects being detained at Bien Hoa Prison outside of Saigon. Through electrode implants in the brain, the prisoners were manipulated to attack each other with knives. The experiment was a failure and the prisoners were shot and their bodies burned." - is there any proof of this? Schrandit 06:54, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Quite often not, but it does not mean it didn't happen. Like so much else that is instigated by covert forces, proof of such is hard to come by. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.43.189.130 (talk) 19:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

@Schrandit: Ten years later, a portion of this remains uncited. I cannot verify, so I am going to remove it. - Location (talk) 03:44, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Criminal Prosecution? War Crimes? Crimes Against Humanity?

There's precious little information relating to the USA's failure to properly hold to account those who were responsible for these atrocities (Gottlieb coming pretty high in that list) on Wikipedia and I was wondering why that was. I personally do not know enough about the subject to confidently expand the articles so I was hoping someone could do that, or even just write some things in this discussion page until some consensus is reached. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.231.245 (talk) 13:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

From what I understand the U.S. would rather not even remind the public that this sort of thing has been documented as happening, considering that the average American citizen doesn't even know about MKULTRA. The U.S. is also notorious for safeguarding their human asessts, especially since putting Gottlieb on trial might get him to reveal the other confederates who assisted him, some of whom might actually be very high ranked and important people who would just as soon not put their careers/lives in jeopardy. In any case, he's dead now. --66.253.36.46 (talk) 03:10, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Criminal Prosecution? War Crimes? Crimes Against Humanity?

What's the academic significance of identifying his religion in the first line? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.116.61 (talk) 16:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC) Wikipedia standard for biographical paragraph. (Jew as ethnicity vs. religion). [other research key words: chain, crown, TE.PL, GH.AR, coin, rage] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.134.164.108 (talk) 03:42, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

On a lighter note

My parents were friends of the Gottliebs and folk danced at the Gottlieb's home for many years. Syd and his wife hosted the folk dance parties in their house just outside of Vienna, VA., home to another notorious intelligence community member, Robert Hansen. These parties all took place from about 1964-1975. Sometime in the mid 70's the folk dance club disbanded and my parents lost contact with the Gottliebs. When the story of the LSD experiments broke in the media, there was disbelief that Syd could have been involved much less the mastermind. Apparently he was a very sociable and likeable person - nothing like how he was described in the press. 129.83.31.1 (talk) 03:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

more info needed

particularly "early years" and "final or retirement" years could use a bunch of work Ooma Huntress-Protectress (talk) 03:23, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Sidney Gottlieb. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060105230238/http://www.counterpunch.org/mazur01292005.html to http://www.counterpunch.org/mazur01292005.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 14:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

The picture is not good. Please replace - easily found

There are two very good pictures one should us instead. One in 3/4 pose when he retired in '75 and next to his lawyer in '77. You get a much better sense of what he looked like. He could have been your doctor or lawyer. I would right away think him Jewish ( I think I can say that as I'm Jewish). He looks like someone of UK origin in some pics like the one currently displayed. He was still young when he carried out these "experiments". I don't know how, but if anyone can change the pic please do. Aperer1 (talk) 18:32, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

And the picture is certainly not from '77 when he testified before congress. He was about 55 then. Wrong pic. Aperer1 (talk) 18:39, 10 February 2023 (UTC)