Talk:Sogdian language

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"This early script was taken from the Aramaic script and was almost solely ideographic." - Aramaic was not ideographic, how could Sogdian became one?

"...is in the Sogdian Script that has its roots in the same Aramaic script and like Middle Persian, contains many Logograms?." - as far as I know neither Middle Persian nor Sogdian contained NO Logograms.

I going to edit the article if no evidence of those statement are provided here.

Logograms and Ideograms[edit]

Aramaic was not ideographic, but Pahlavi and Sogdian were greatly ideographic (or as it is called now, heterographic, and called Arameograms by some). Logogram is just another name for it.

The process of the formation of ideograms in Pahlavi and Sogdian are quite complecated, but have their roots in the scribal practices of the Achaemenid administration. If you read the original Pahlavi and Sogdian texts, they are full of logo/ideo/hetero/arameograms! (e.g. BRA for "pus" and MN for 'az').

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It is definetely not the same thing as ideograms and logograms usually understood, so I would either use "heterogram" or explain in details what is it all about. And, by the way, is there any evidence that Aramaic heterograms were actully 'pronounced' as Pahlavi/Sogdian words, not like foreign words, as they were spelled?

For example, English is never called 'highly ideographic language' however it has more than half of the words taken from Latin and French. Vassili Nikolaev 01:02, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Aramaic[edit]

I wikilinked Aramaic, but it doesn't seem to be correct? Please clarify the sentence. --Pjacobi 13:59, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)


I recorded this article as a spoken article but didn't know the correct pronunciations--phonetic helps? NB

Sounds good, but here's a couple for the next edit:

Achaemenid - a-kigh-men-id
Manichaean - man-ick-key-an

ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 19:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments for Amanda[edit]

4/13/09 Amanda, I think you did a good job on this page. I was able to get a good understanding of the history of the language and where/how it was used. That was awesome. One thing I would say you could add (though I think it is already great) if more details about the workings of the script itself. Maybe you could go into more detail about the languages its similar to and what makes them similar. Just a suggestion. :)

~Kara BearsBeatBattlestarGalactica —Preceding undated comment added 04:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Hi,

Good work! This page is already leaving the realm of stubness, with the information that you added about the language itself. However, you might want to consider putting in more about the writing system, since our class in on writing systems. Most of them have a little box including type of system, parent systems, daughter systems, and dates from which the writing system was in use. The information is already on the page, but it might be better to throw all that into a box to make it easier to find.

Lychee512 (talk) 21:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dearest Amanda (aka baller), I'm really impressed with what you've done with the page. Before reading this I had never even heard of the Sogdian language (I'm actually quite surprised that there are this many books about it out there - then again, I guess not everyone is as ignorant as I am!). I'm glad that you mentioned that it descended from the Semitic script - I feel like that really ties the Sogdian language back to what we are learning in class. I'm also glad that you discuss Sogdian's similarities to other scripts so we can better understand how it works. Hgun (talk) 03:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Amanda! You edited the page very well and added a lot of good information. You should probably elaborate more about the writing system or maybe show a picture of what it looks like (although I myself havent figured out how to add pictures, so I probably shouldn't tell you to add them), but I liked how you gave a transliteration/ translation of text. The section about the discovery of the texts is interesting; I'm glad you added that. The page is really good so far, keep up the good editing!

Kimbo9324 (talk) 14:26, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Sogdian Buddhism"?![edit]

Do tell!
I was not aware of BuddhaDharma west of Afghanistan.
"Sogdian was the lingua franca of a vast Central Asian region along the Silk Road" ... fascinatin'. --BenTremblay (talk) 01:16, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sogdian loanwords in Persian[edit]

Loanwords from Sogdian into Persian were adopted through the cultural relations and commercial interactions which existed between Iran proper and Transoxiana, the birth place of Sogdian language. --Zyma (talk) 02:00, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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