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Population of Lyon and France[edit]

I was reading information about few cities around France and Lyon was one of them, the problem that i saw in the text is the statistical problem of population for all of the cities but Lyon is one that got really so i start here. There is a link in the chapter that takes you to a new page that has list of communities in France with population over 200.000 inhabitants and Lyon is third ,but the population that is cited there is 472.305 from the 2006 census (as cited there) and on the this page it is written that Lyon has Urban population of 1.551.228 and Metro population of 2.118.132 for 2010 and 2008 respectively ,compared to almost 500.000 population of Lyon for 2011 according to Insee[1] (i think it's French institute for demography) it is huge difference. What i want to know is what does the author of this numbers in this article mean and how is it possible to be such a difference in the numbers, it is because of some kind of dividing of the cities or something different in question ? thank you for reading


Daci92 (talk) 14:22, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://insee.fr/fr/ppp/bases-de-donnees/recensement/populations-legales/commune.asp?annee=2011&depcom=69123

Sister cities[edit]

The list of sister cities currently on the city website is shorter than what was previously there. Did they drop St. Louis, Beersheba. etc? Ibadibam (talk) 22:14, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Answer about the "divided city"[edit]

You nailed it right: the big difference between the figures (from around 500,000 inhabitants to over 2,2 millions) is due to the difference between the administrative limits, which are relatively narrow, and the real size of the city. For example, districts in the center of Lyon (such as Villeurbanne for example) are not administratively part of Lyon, but independant towns of their own, even though they're right downtown. Administratively speaking, Lyon is only the part of the city stuck in between all of the districts that surround it (Villeurbanne, Vaulx en Velin, Bron, Vénissieux, Saint-Fons, Pierre Bénite, Oullins, La Mulatière, Sainte-Foy, Tassin, Caluire, etc...) which are downtown, for someone who lives in the surburbs, but which are, administratively speaking independant towns of their own, and not districts from Lyon... There is then, the surburb itself, which is around the city. The limits of Lyon are very old. During centuries the towns grew more and more, in a lot of cases, historical centers and cities tend to have simply incorporated their neighbours in the city, making them a district of the bigger city. ... But not in the case of Lyon... You can thus find yourself downtown in the center and... change city just by walking on the pavement, without even noticing it, if you don't happen to pass before the sign that indicates you are changing towns... It is the case in other cities than Lyon nowdays. Only, in Lyon, it happens on an excessively large scale. You can find on the internet many discussions about including Villeurbanne as a district of Lyon, or Saint Fons, or Bron, or many other districts of Lyon which are administratively not districts of Lyon but independant towns. THe figures of the inhabitants of Lyon as an administrative entity (that is to say just the center) have not significatively changed eversince the end of the 19th century!! Since Lyon is totally surrounded and cannot grow, unless it were to incorporate its neighbour towns, which are in real life feeling, just districts of Lyon... But not administratively speaking...

Sister Cities tagging[edit]

Hello @ZH8000: Lists in Wikipedia do not need to be complete per MOS:LIST. Archived sources are acceptable, particularly in cases such as this where it appears that the mairie is no longer keeping a complete list on line. In order to prove that it is out of date, you would need to find an updated source, and if you were to find one why not update the list at that point? Regards, Vrac (talk) 01:57, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Population[edit]

The structure of Lyon is a complicated subject, however the article is about the city which has a population ranked third in France. Since the metropolitan area of Lyon is not an administrative division, using its population to rank the city in the article is problematic. The recent edits also removed clarifications on the matter and some info about what Lyon is the capital of, please discuss. Cheers, Vrac (talk) 18:21, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Actually, the administrative population is only useful for administrative reasons. Taking account of only this part of the population would give wrong idea of the effective size of the town, way bigger that Toulouse for example. In addition, they metropolitan area is clearly defined for most town in France.Wiiip (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Name[edit]

The lead simply gives the name of the city as "Lyon or Lyons". Actually, my understanding is that in French (and in France) the name is invariably rendered as Lyon; but in English-language texts, traditionally at least, as Lyons. I don't know any more about this – the etymological background; and whether, in an age of global communication, this is changing – and I came here hoping to find out; but there's nothing. Can somebody who knows add something? Compare the similar case of Marseille, which does at least say something (though not much) about the two spellings. Eric Pode lives (talk) 12:14, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Eric Pode lives, I am also concerned that WP English writes Lyon and Marseille without the s, while it seems to be a long established writing in English. --Bouzinac (talk) 09:30, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Traditionally both cities' names were spelled with an "s" in English, and this was even pronounced. But the French pronunciation is now used in English, and there is a growing tendency to use the French spelling, too. 2602:306:CFEA:170:6D5D:A41F:A482:923F (talk) 03:59, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggestions for improving Climate and Culture sections[edit]

Hello,
I am hoping to make some additions to the climate and (possibly) to the culture section that talks about the Lyonnais dialect. I have reviewed the French counterpart to this article and both sections are much more developed. However, the French version's climate section does not have many high quality sources for its climate information. Does anyone have any suggestion for what kind of sources would be acceptable for climate information? I see from looking at other cities' articles that they also sometimes detail severe weather events in this section. Are they generally appropriate for this type of article? In regard to the Lyonnais dialect, there is a starter wiki page in French that has more information on this topic.[[1]] I expect this will be my starting place to see where their information is coming from so that I can hopefully incorporate it into this article. I will also try to review the Franco-Provençal language wiki to see if it can help to give me some idea of where I could look for verifiable information on this topic.--Caleb26 (talk) 05:37, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Languages and dialects are a fascinating subject, and there are many Wikipedia articles about them. The language/dialect you're looking for seems to be here: Lyonnais, which was probably hard to find because it has a redirect to Franco-Provençal language. Perhaps you could create a paragraph that has a 'main article' link to Franco-Provençal language. DrMichaelWright (talk) 22:34, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Culture and Demographics[edit]

Hi. I'm a student editor and I hope (in the next weeks) to contribute to the culture and demographics sections of this article. I will be researching average income, tax rates and organization, and income dispersion among predominate professions and industries. I would like also to contribute to the street art and other section of the culture area of the article. Thank you, Missi Jarrar (talk) 00:35, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I think that the article is close to B-Class[edit]

In my view, only adding a little information in some sections can make the article reach B-Class, especially about Medieval Ages and some buildings such as Tour du Crédit Lyonnais, Tour Oxygène and Tour Incity. Adding a section about festivities is also a good idea. I don't do it because neither English or French are my mother tongue and processing the information from the resources and then composing the text in the article take too much effort for me.

Some sources where I found some information are listed below:

https://www.patrimoine-lyon.org/accueil/histoire-de-la-ville/lyon-medieval

https://www.lyon-france.com/l-agenda/Fetes

https://www.lyon-france.com/Je-decouvre-Lyon/sites-et-monuments

https://www.auvergnerhonealpes.fr/phototheque/755/79-ville-de-lyon.htm

Regards,

--Yolanda95 (talk) 23:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)Yolanda95[reply]

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Lyon[edit]

Lyon is known as Liyon in Franco-Provençal from Latin Lugdunum Bompanigcc (talk) 02:53, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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