Talk:Rock 'n' Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith

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While browsing the wiki planning a return trip to Disney World, I noticed there was not an article for a few of the major rides, so I contributed this one on the Rock 'n' Roller Coaster. There's certainly a lot of room for improvement and expansion, but I hope it's a good start. --JoshW 21:05, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

• Outstanding. I'd noticed many omissions in the rides also but hadn't taken the time to add them. I hope you don't mind my editing. --DynSkeet 16:08, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The "Trivia" section was duplicated, so I removed one of them.

I have noticed that many users have been debating whether or not to include http://www.rocknrollercoaster.com in the external links. I was the first to add that link. Many people have removed it because it is just a fan site, but i believe that it has a place on here. The official disney site for this attraction isnt very helpful. --Jumboshrmp 15:51, 20 Jan 2006

Ride Experience Description

The description of the ride should be what the visitor experiences, not what is actually going on. Disney goes to great lengths to build story into each of their rides, therefore there should be a distinct separation in "fact" vs "fiction" when listing the ride experience. an example: "Guests visit fictional G-Force Records" vs "Guests visit G-Force Records". Of course it's fictional. As fictional as the Hollywood Hotel isn't really a hotel or haunted.

But for purposes of the story, you want to say that "Guests enter the Hollywood Hotel's lobby" and not "Guests enter the fictional Hollywood Hotel and see a room designed like what a hotel lobby would look like."

Would you say that a description of Tom Sawyer's Island, "guests can play and hide in a fictional fort" or that in Space Mountain, "guests pretend to be launched into space"? SpikeJones 17:04, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

G-Force: Approx. 5

Is there an actual valid and verifiable source for this statement? The unofficial fansite lists the G-Force at somewhere "between 4 and 5" but I find this less than authoritative. --Hetar 06:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

During the last refurbishment, the project team tested it with an accelerometer and it did verify that the max force was about 5Gs at launch. Ncontorno 06:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Title?

Isn't the actuall name of this ride "Rock 'n' Rollercoaster", not "Rock 'n' Roller Coaster" ---WBHoenig 21:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

RCDB has it listed as Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, if that helps. SpikeJones 21:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Its "Rock 'n' Roller Coaster starring Aerosmith", just look at the logo: Image:Rock'n'RollerCoaster Logo.jpg. --blm07 01:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

or "Featuring Aerosmith" in the one in France--TimothyJacobson (talk) 19:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

The Shocker

The triva section claims that Tyler makes the "Shocker" gesture during the pre-show. When does he supposedly do this? I find it hard to believe Disney would let something like this slide by. I was on this ride just a few days ago, and I don't remember seeing him do that. I do recall he makes a pointing gesture right before his limo drives off, but it didn't look like the "Shocker" to me. Ace-o-aces 19:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

It may not look like the Shocker to you, but I did verify "a unique hand gesture, similar in style to The Shocker such that I could see it being called that" existed in the video in June 2006 (it's towards the end, before they climb into the limo). Oddly enough, while I was waiting for Tyler to make the motion, people standing next to me in line pointed, laughed, and commented on the Shocker's existence in the video as well. SpikeJones 01:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

He does the gesture in question across his forehead when he says something to the likes of, "wait! I've got an idea!" and then he tells the manager to get all of the fans backstage passes. Honestly I'm not sure if Tyler ever really meant for it to be the 'shocker' or not - when the ride opened in July '99, which meant that the video was filmed a few months before that - the shocker was not the popular thing that it is today. Comthought 17:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Still... the way it's done makes it look to me as if it's intentional. IIRC, it starts out with Tyler shading his eyes to look into the crowd, then slowly (and, I'm assuming, knowingly) morphs the gesture into The Shocker. Looks delibrate. SpikeJones 23:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, given the uncertainty as to wheather or not it was intentional, We should change the wording to reflect that uncertainty. Something like "Tyler makes a gesture that looks like the shocker, but it is not clear if this is intentional. Ace-o-aces 20:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

My best description of this part of the pre-show is as follows:

The manager asks sarcastically and exasperatedly, "Well, guys, what do you expect me to do, send them all with you?" While the other band members mumble a general affirmative, Steve Tyler places his hand -- open palmed, with the palm facing the audience -- on his forehead and replies "Wait a minute..." as he folds his ring finger and thumb in, then continues "...I love that idea." If this is the gesture in question, it's not the shocker. Tyler's index and middle fingers are clearly not touching each other, which is an essential part of performing said gesture. So I guess that settles that. 22:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC).

Message sign

Does anybody know the different messages displayed above the opening tunnel? Ace-o-aces 06:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean to the left of the tunnel. Usually something benign then 3-2-1 --TimothyJacobson (talk) 19:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Attempt to clean up

I was trying to clean up the article since it is a mess. I have made another attempt today, trying to move some trivia into the article since there is so much. I also tried to organize the article by park instead of random. --blm07 16:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Fastest attraction at WDW?

On the page, it currently says: The roller coaster accelerates from 0 to 57 miles per hour in 2.8 seconds (making this the second-fastest ride at the Walt Disney World Resort, behind only Test Track, and the fastest ride at the Disneyland Resort Paris), and the riders experience 4.5g (44 m/s²) as they enter the first inversion, more than an astronaut does on a space shuttle launch. Both versions feature five trains, only four can run at one time and the other serves as a backup. I don't want to be pedantic, but is it worth clarifying that it is the fastest ride IN THE THEME PARKS at WDW? According to "The Walt Disney World Trivia Book" by Louis A Mongello, the fastest ride in WDW itself is the Richard Petty riving Experience; in second place surely is the buses.TimothyJacobson 19:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Mr Mongello, while an avid Disney fan, has many inaccuracies in his trivia books (some of which have been documented on his own discussion boards). That point aside, the question you raise is whether the RPDE qualifies as a standard WDW attraction, and therefore should it be listed as WDW's fastest ride in the article here. Because it is an appointment-based upcharge attraction and is not something necessarily available to the average park visitor, I would vote "no" - the clarification you propose is not necessary. If that were the case, we would then have to add the water sprites, golf course carts, and other non-park vehicles to the overall list. SpikeJones 00:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Number of trains

Are there five or six trains? Most of the information I've found indicates FIVE trains (license plate info, soundtracks, etc.). If there are six trains, then what are the plate and soundtrack for the sixth train? Also, does only DHS have six, or does Paris have six as well? If there are only five, then the rotation sentence needs to be modified to indicate that only one train is in reserve. Apr1fool (talk) 07:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Whiplash?

I went on the Rock'n Rollercoaster for the first time with my 52 year-old grampa(this was his second time on the ride), and when I got off, my neck was hurting a lot. Everyone who was getting off the ride were holding their necks in the same place mine hurt. Turns outwe got Class 2 whiplash. Would somebody add something about whiplash? I think it would make the article a little better. 70.119.54.117 (talk) 16:58, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Adding something based on your own individual experience is considered original research and unfortunately does not belong on Wikipedia. If, however, a reputable news source were to publish a story discussing such an incident, then it could be added. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 18:16, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Rock 'n' Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

I assessed this article for WikiProject Walt Disney World based on proposed importance guidelines for the project. Although it is proposed that only rides exclusive to Walt Disney World should be High-Importance, this ride began at MGM and the article is mostly about that ride. If someone disagrees please re-assess. Phydend (talk) 19:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 01:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC). Substituted at 04:45, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect information about Paris version

The version of the Rock 'n' Roller Coaster® Starring Aerosmith at Disney Studios Paris is not the exact same version of the ride. I think they may have identical trains, but the layout is certainly different. I'm not sure of how to cite it, but one can look at the Google Earth image and see the buildings are different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OprylandUSA (talk • contribs) 22:27, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately that's not enough. We would need a published source to say they're different, and the published sources indicate they are the same. --McDoobAU93 13:32, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

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Disneyland Paris replacement

BsaPR1996: Despite your insistence in this edit that we must update the infobox, we should not be doing this. There are no reliable sources reporting the name "Stark's Test I.A Coaster", and certainly no official sources doing so either. In fact, that target article is up for deletion and will likely be deleted in the next few days based on the comments in that discussion.

Also, we have already mentioned in the article body that the ride is closed for renovation. We should wait for the name to be officially announced before stating it anywhere in the article, and the infobox typically waits for the new ride to open. It hasn't been replaced until the renovation is complete. --GoneIn60 (talk) 14:34, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Hollywood Studios location description

BsaPR1996: You completely wholesale reverted the edit I made to the description without explaining why. The changes I made were substantial improvements, removing unsourced claims and rephrasing poorly written material. Your reversion here doesn't make any sense, except maybe to restore something you personally wrote, which is not a sufficient reason. Care to explain your reasoning? --GoneIn60 (talk) 14:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- - - Also just an FYI that I'll be notifying WikiProject Amusement Parks.

For anyone joining this discussion, here's the original text:

Guests begin the queue by entering G-Force Records by entering a high ceiling circular room, where walls are decorated with ceiling-high guitars, the floor is decorated with a giant record and digital posters of Hollywood Records artists can be seen hanging on the walls; in Disney's Hollywood Studios, these digital posters sometimes display guests' names as recording artists, by utilizing short-range RFID scanners to read their MagicBands. Guests can also see a small exhibit of recording instruments, only in the stand-by queue; one name that can be seen is the organizer and presenter, whose name is Mike Rofone (microphone).

Guests are then called to wait outside the doors of Studio C before they can enter; different musical instruments can be heard outside Studio B as a rehearsal takes place inside. As guests enter Studio C, Aerosmith is working on a recording of "Walk This Way" without vocals in the studio with their sound engineer (played by Ken Marino). The band greets the guests before their manager (played by Illeana Douglas) walks in to tell them they have a concert to play on the other side of town and they can't stay with the guests any longer. Steven Tyler and Joe Perry express discontent with this outcome along with the rest of the band and claim that they can't race to the show by themselves without the guests. Their manager wonders what are they expecting her to do if they wanted to take them all with the band in which somehow Steven replies: "Wait a minute. I love that idea. How about some backstage passes?", to which he agrees to the idea and convinces their manager to give out backstage passes to their concert in order to make it happen. She reluctantly accepts and arranges for a "super stretch" to take guests to Aerosmith's concert. She then tells guests that a "really fast car" is waiting to take them to the show right outside the alley. As she's saying this, the limo that Aerosmith has boarded peels out, leaving their manager behind. Guests exit to the Lock 'n' Roll parking garage to board their limos, as "Walk This Way" plays again with vocals in the studio.

Here's the text after proposed changes:

As guests enter the line queue, they walk into a high-ceiling circular room themed to a fictional record label called G-Force Records. Walls are decorated with ceiling-high guitars and digital posters of Hollywood Records artists, and the floor depicts a giant record. These digital posters sometimes display guests' names as recording artists, accomplished by short-range RFID scanners that read their MagicBands. Also on display to guests is a small exhibit of recording instruments in the stand-by queue.

As part of the pre-show experience, guests are asked to wait outside the doors of Studio C. Different musical instruments can be heard being played in Studio B during a rehearsal. As guests enter Studio C, Aerosmith is working on an instrumental recording of "Walk This Way" with a sound engineer. The band greets the guests as their manager walks in interrupting, telling the band they're running late to a scheduled show. As the band gets ready to depart Steven Tyler stops and says they can't leave the guests behind. Joe Perry and the rest of the band agree, as the manager sarcastically replies, "Well, guys, what do you expect me to do? Send them all with you?" Steven pauses and says, "Wait a minute. I love that idea. How about some backstage passes?" The manager reluctantly agrees and makes a phone call ordering a "super stretch" limo, calling it a "really fast car" that will take everyone across town to the show. The limo that Aerosmith boarded in the background peels out, leaving their manager behind to her disappointment. As the scene ends, "Walk This Way" resumes playing but this time with vocals. Guests are permitted to exit the pre-show area and board the ride.

These aren't major changes but definitely needed. --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 7 September 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 17:50, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

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Rock 'n' Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith → Rock 'n' Roller Coaster – WP:COMMONNAME, almost nobody includes "starring Aerosmith" when talking about the ride. 150.250.5.28 (talk) 03:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 16:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Disney has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 16:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Amusement Parks has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 16:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Nothing has been presented by the nom to show this is infact the common-name. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:54, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Look at the titles of some of the references.150.250.5.28 (talk) 12:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

11 of the 18 sources mention the coaster name in the title, and only 4 of those 11 cite the full name. However, we don't go by source titles; we assess source content. When you click into the other 7 articles, 4 of them contain the full name as well. The three remaining sources are irrelevant for reasons not worth getting into, but even if we give you those, 3 out of 11 is not enough to show WP:COMMONNAME. --GoneIn60 (talk) 05:58, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – A majority of the cited references in the article list the full name. --GoneIn60 (talk) 05:58, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

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Rock 'n' Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith are now closed to make way for a new renovation of "Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, Starring Queen" at Disney's Hollywood Studios

Thanks to Disney Parks announcements, I believe that Disney Hollywood Studios announced that the classic version of the ride are now closed for refurbishment to make way for a new renovation of "Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, Starring Queen" in Sunset Boulevard at Disney's Hollywood Studios, which was reopening Summer 2023, as part of the "Disney 100 Years of Wonder" celebration!!!

Got it?👌 Hiperjavier2006 (talk) 00:42, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Coaster is still open in florida

the info box says it's removed but I very much rode this ride a few days ago. Beesment (talk) 11:39, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

The infobox is correct. Under the section of the infobox for Disney's Hollywood Studios, it says that the ride at that park is "operating". Only the Walt Disney Studios version is listed as "removed". – Epicgenius (talk) 15:05, 7 October 2023 (UTC)