Talk:Iran–Iraq War

Result in infobox

Ali36800p, your edit here is contrary to MOS:MIL (see the bit about infoboxes), which gives voice to the template documentation about the result parameter (see Template:Infobox military conflict). I would suggest you read the two linked pages and revert your edit as it is against the broader consensus expressed in those links. Cinderella157 (talk) 04:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Ali36800p, you continue to make edits to the result parameter of the infobox (here) contrary to guidance, even when you have been specifically pointed to that guidance. I would suggest you self-revert. Cinderella157 (talk) 08:13, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Why is it called "Iran–Iraq War"?

Shouldn't it be "Iraq-Iran War" instead? Iraq started the war, thus the war should be called "Iraq-Iran War". Romanshein (talk) 05:41, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

It depends on how it is known in sources. See this ngram. Cinderella157 (talk) 06:08, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Removal of weapons section in the article

I deleted the weapons section here with the edit summary: removed section not supported by sources and of questionable value. This was reverted by PersianFire here with the edit summary: Are you serious? This is vandalism. To answer the question, I am perfectly serious. There is not a single source and WP:BURDEN applies. The section consists solely of a table that is a mass of links. There is no prose that would indicate why this might be of value such as an analysis by sources of the relative armories. This type of data dump probably falls under WP:NOTEVERYTHING. It is certainly not a section that would appear in our better quality articles. WP:P&G does not support the inclusion of this section. Consequently, characterising my edit as vandalism probably wasn't appropriate. Cinderella157 (talk) 10:36, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Missing

It needs tó metion in the infobox hlé Both sides claimed victory. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 00:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Per MOS:MIL and the template documentation, such nuance is not for the infobox but for the lead and the body of the article. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Estimates of total deaths and casualties

Hi @Cinderella157. "Casualties and losses" sub-section of the infobox is quite confusing. There is no row on "total deaths" in the infobox.

According to Britannica Encyclopaedia and History.com, the total number of deaths that occurred as a result of this war is approximately 500,000. Dilip Hiro wrote in his book "The Longest War: The Iran–Iraq Military Conflict" (which is referenced in the "military dead" columns in the "Casualties and losses" sub-section of the infobox):

"Conservative Western estimates put the total number of war dead at 367,000 - Iran accounting for 262,000 and Iraq 105,000. With more than 700,000 injured, the total casualties were put at over one million."

I couldnt verify information from the other sources, but probably there is a heavy over-estimation in the "Military dead" columns. It appears as if the contents are not summarized properly in the infobox. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 18:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

• I have deleted the range at the bottom of the box because, as you say, it fails verification. There is a lot of detail in the casualties (and strengths) in drop-downs that do not appear collapsed on mobile devices. A lot of this "detail" is inappropriate for an infobox and should be moved from the box. The amount of detail on casualties in particular suggests that the figures are nuanced and this is something for which an infobox is unsuitable. If the casualties section in the body is not consistent with detail in the infobox, this needs to be harmonised. I might have a bit too much on my plate ATM but I would support objective editing along these lines. Cinderella157 (talk) 22:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)