Talk:Chlothar II

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Is it my imagination or is there no listed birth year? --Dante Alighieri 07:43 28 May 2003 (UTC)

Born posthumously or not?[edit]

The lede said he was born AFTER the death of his father.

But later on we have:

Under Frankish customs, newborns did not receive names initially, in order not to spread concern related to the symbolic name of the Merovingian. Wanting to choose a name based on the development of unrest in the kingdom of the Franks, his father did not baptize him immediately. ... Chilperic and Fredegund desired to protect their child, since his young dead predecessors may have been victims of murder, and there was much political intrigue at the time. He was raised in secret in the royal villa in Vitry-en-Artois to avoid detection.

That stands in utter contrast with the information that Chilperic was dead before Chlothar was even born. Can we please clarify this ASAP? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 19:23, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently not. fr.wikipedia states that his father died entre les 20 et 28 septembre 584, and that Clothar II was born en mai 584. Surtsicna (talk) 20:33, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While correcting the lead, I found that the reference at its end bizarrely stated that he was four years old when his father died. Someone really had some fun with this article. Surtsicna (talk) 20:38, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Four months, four years, who's counting? :) But thanks for clarifying the issue, Surtsicna. I can now remove him from Posthumous birth. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Any particular reason this is parked at Chlothar II but actually uses Clothar II throughout its running text? Did someone move this page without much discussion or interest in formatting it?

Ngram seems to suggest it's 6 of one, half dozen of the other (my personal preference then being Clothar II since the Latin form Clotharius seems more common), but both should be in the lead sentence and only one should be used for the title and the running text both. — LlywelynII 09:27, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]