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American citizenship??[edit]

Why is Ginobilli appearing in the article of [1]?, and here on his page profile there is nothing about his american citizenship. Frank

Somebody (probably a Suns fan) edited this Ginobili page and has totally slandered him. Not just in the first paragraph but also throughout the whole article. There's a mention of him in there as having an "autisim title" and winning a "gay award". There's nothing funny about that. It also says his older brother is Leandro Barbosa. This is not true. I would watch this article closely at least during the playoffs. Suns fans are getting upset and taking it out on Wikipedia! Chris F. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.153.194 (talk) 22:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Argentine National Team[edit]

Manu Ginobili's Wikipedia site states that the 2004 Olympic team was the first non-American team to win the gold medal in 16 years. Wikipedia defines American as "a person or attribute of the Americas." Last I checked--and according to this definition--Argentina is just as American as the good old U-S-of-A. Americans that live within the fifty United States do not have exclusive rights to the term "American." To call Argentines non-American is the same as calling Nigerians "non-African." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.21.95.222 (talk • contribs)

Fixed. --Mariano(t/c) 11:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Salary?[edit]

what is his salary right now? How about in previous years? Funkyj 19:23, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)

If you're wondering about salaries, this website might be able to help you. [[2]]

Dknights411 02:59, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

or you can check out basketball-reference.com. Chensiyuan 12:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Controversial[edit]

why was Argentina's second place in the world championships controversial??

Because of a non-called foul at the very end of the match, that would have given ARG 2 shots to win the game. -Mariano 11:06, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)

Neutrality[edit]

This page needs us to keep an eye on it. Someone keeps trying to make it a fan page. Antonio's Got It by Basketballrama Martin

I personally did not have a problem with POV issues on this page until I saw the chages made. When I have time later today, I'll NPOV the whole page.Dknights411 14:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

fixed. Chensiyuan 07:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lose the accent?[edit]

IIRC it's Ginobili, no accent. elpincha 17:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While it's obviously not used very often in the English-speaking media, I think the accent is correct. (see [3] and [4]). E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 17:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, no accent required. His surname is "Ginobili" which is Italian. There is no "ó" in the Italian language. The "ó" in his name is included when it's transliterated into Spanish (he's Italian-Argentinian) for pronunciation purposes, so in English this character is not at all recognised. Considering this article is in English, its appearance is superfluous. Downwards 22:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the current revision is fine and suits the translation well. However, it should also be noted that Manu's native language is Spanish, so people around him may have been spelling it Ginóbili most of his life. E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 21:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"""Manu's native language is Spanish, so people around him may have been spelling it Ginóbili most of his life."""

Actually, no, that's not true, because half of the Argentines surnames are Italian and we know how to spell them, maybe that happen with the German surnames that are many in Argentina too but not as many as the Italian, Though the German most of the times are spelled correctly too.

Trelew Girl |3rd August 2006 (UTC)

Why is the accent back in the page? Here's Ginobili's name as it appears on his jersey: [5]. Why should it be different for his English wikipedia page?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winky the tinkler (talk • contribs)

First, The guy's name is Emanuel David Ginóbili, yes, with the accent. That's what's written in his ID. (See Spanish article)
Second, accents do exist in the English language, though only in foreign words (coup d'état, fiancée, mélange, café, etc)
Third, I understand you prefer the article name without the accent (per common names in the Enligsh wikipedia), but what's the problem of having the proper spelling in the article body??

Please, stop removing the accent on his lastname (and even in other words!) not even discussing it first in the talk page. --Mariano(t/c) 13:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But why does he wear a uniform without the accent? Perhaps because he could care less about the accent? Then why should wikipedia care? -winky —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winky the tinkle (talk • contribs)

I have two answers for you: 1.- In capital letters accents are not compulsive. 2.- He doesn't stamp the shirts. --Mariano(t/c) 12:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"In capital letters accents are not compulsive" i did not know that... that's a perfectly good explanation, thanks mariano. -winky —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winky the tinkler (talk • contribs)

My pleasure. For mor info, see this. --Mariano(t/c) 20:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think both Spanish and Eanglish articles are wrong. Ginobili doesn't have accent marks because it's Italian. See Enzo Francescoli's page for example.--200.125.44.244 21:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it doesn't matter if he's lastname is Italian or not, the question is 'how is it written in his birth act'. Lastnames are known for being Spanized at Argentine inmigrtions; my grant father got his mutated as well. --Mariano(t/c) 15:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately names in IDs are generally written in capital letters so the accents can be omitted, which avoids the problem, as most officials and parents are unsure of where put the accents... --Chvsanchez (talk) 18:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Flopping[edit]

There have been many attempts in the past to add something about Ginobili's "flopping" to this page. While they have been removed as commentary and against our neutral point of view policy, I think the accusations are common enough that we have to make some kind of neutral point of view attempt to add it to the page. My suggestion is as follows, to be added directly after the sentence about critics such as George Karl:

These critics frequently accuse Ginobili of "flopping," or exaggerating the amount of contact that occurs when he is playing defense. This technique is common in soccer (where it is known as diving), a sport Ginobili played when he was younger.

Please note, I am a huge San Antonio Spurs and Manu Ginobili fan, but I feel the article is somewhat incomplete without something to this effect. Any comments or suggestions about how to make such a sentence better? E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 00:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I was really looking for a more neutral way to address this. The last attempt (mainly through a technique known a "flopping") would probably have been fine without the word mainly, but I was just learly of anything that came across as random sports smack talk. The perception of him as a flopper is real, however, and you're right; it should be addressed in the article.

Your proposed addition looks perfect, assuming no one else objects - just make sure you put a "see talk page discussion" in the edit summary to avoid drive-by reverts. Kuru ^talk 01:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've gone ahead and made this addition. More comments and suggestions are still welcome. E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 20:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see some problems with the new paragraph:

References on Manu playing football (soccer) when younger (I think not:[6])
The current phrasing suggest he took up the bad habit while playing football (which is biased); if he did play football (soccer) he did not do it professionally, you don't fake fouls with friends.

- But if he played in matches then he would have dived, yes?

I would remove the 'soccer' reference. Now, since flopping is a technical foul already two seasons, the question is, how often is Ginobili charged with Flopping by the referees? This 'other side of the coin' should also be in the article.

Mariano(t/c) 08:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input. I've removed the soccer reference. As for the technical foul part, I also thought of that. I believe flopping is a technical foul under FIBA rules, though I'm not sure if the same is the case for NBA rules. To my knowledge he has never gotten a technical foul for flopping, but we would have to find a source for that somehow. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 20:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, in the NBA flopping is either called as a blocking foul (on the defender) or as a charge (on the offensive player) depending on if the refs buy it or not - both are personal fouls. I've never seen a technical specifically assessed for theatrics, so this is not something you can track statistically. Kuru ^talk 21:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

current version should be less contentious. Chensiyuan 07:03, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ginobili is a flopper. Didn't david stern (intentionally lowercase) single him and vlade divac out when they instituted the anti flopping rules in 2014. Perhaps if we could link to that, as well as players calling him out as a flopper, then we could insert a section into the bio about his flopping. First thing i think about when i think ginobili is flopping, as do most basketball fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mae Phelps (talk • contribs) 09:02, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good article nominee[edit]

okay the long awaited nomination has taken place (page largely modelled after team mates Tony Parker, Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen!). please refrain from pushing POV in the article, or adding frivolous details, thank you! but of course, there's no stopping of good edits to the article. for the reviewer: if you put the article on hold and i'm not responding to your queries expeditiously enough, i would be grateful if you would leave a message on my talkpage, thanks. Chensiyuan 07:04, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

echoing what Jaranda has said (see edit history of article), GAs with a bloated trivia section are really few and far between. in fact, efforts have already been made to incorporate aspects of Ginobili's personal life into the article (family section). the replication of the information in a latter trivia section is unwarranted. moreover, i believe it was a case of copy-and-paste from nba.com. Chensiyuan 02:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re: phrasing of the part on sixth man and degree of role, that is fixed now -- previous version omits contributions of Bowen for e.g. Chensiyuan 02:54, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the national team section is a little bare at the moment; would appreciate any external links that can help expand the section. Chensiyuan 03:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have re-arranged the sections a bit but the content is exactly the same. Also added a quotebox. Chensiyuan 15:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No footnote replication[edit]

please note that there are two footnotes with the same title name "at a glance", but they are not the same references. one refers to the 2004 playoffs and the other 2005 thanks. Chensiyuan 13:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA nomination[edit]

You did an excellent job responding to my GA on hold concerns below. The article looks great. I am going to pass it now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article is off to a great start. If it is reworked it will probably have success improving along the quality scale. Lets start with the lead. Ginobili has enough content to have a 3 paragraph WP:LEAD. Either use the uncited lead (with all necessary details properly cited in the main body) or use at least one citation per paragraph. Make sure everything in the lead is in the main body with at least as much detail or more in the main body. Done see new version.

Take the "Having spent. . ." sentence and use it for a 2nd and third para.
Find an english language source to supplement (if not replace) Para ti. I think intebasket has the info. Done interbasket ref is in.
In the 2nd discuss his international success; elaborate on silverware using proper terminology
- Do you mean European career or Argentine national team career?
  - Generally the NBA is regarded as the premier league in the world. Discuss success at all non-NBA play in one para. Then discuss NBA career in one brief intro para. This change is more to set the article up for progress toward FA than a necessity for GA, but lets do it since we can.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In the 3rd summarize NBA success.
- It was a good audible to reformat the 3 paragraphs as you did. In the future, he is set up for a 4 paragraph lead as an FA if someone wants to head in that direction by splitting the 2nd para.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In Family and personal life

No comma after Jorge. Done

Professional Career

I might mention how other NBA teams are trying to find similar talents (ESPN) Done see "player profile" section.
- Need you to elaborate what you mean.
  - See Hollinger ref. He says that following the success of drafting Ginobili other NBA teams are scouting similar talent pools.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Source backup for Steve Smith statement. Done used jockbio.com ref.
Source All-Tournament NBA teammates. Done used insidehoops.com ref (scroll down the ref to find the relevant info).
Source Ginóbili was named Argentina's top sportsman in the country's main newspaper. Done used jockbio.com ref.
"Ginóbili began featuring more regularly for the Spurs" s/b "Ginóbili began to be featured more regularly by the Spurs" and rest of sentence needs to be restructured Done sentence is sound and in right voice and tense.
Source NBA Finals MVP Award voting. Done have tried finding a source for this for months but failed, so i've taken out the claim for now.

Player Profile

For clutch play note playoff pts and rebs averages higher than reg season. Done if you look at the new phrasing.

Argentine team

Mention tenure with Argentine National team. I.E., he has been a member ever since 1998. Done
- Where do you think it should be mentioned.
  - It could be mentioned in any of a number of places. It could be stated in the lead. It could be stated in this section. Both is also feasible. It is different to say he was on the team in 1998 and he has been on the team since 1998. I think the lead makes it clear he is still on the team. So lets make it clear in this section he has been on the team since 1998.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done done by accessing his bio on nba.com; also sourced the 0.7s buzzer beater

In Jersey #s

Use a citation. I see several came from interbasket, but don't see #10. Done no NBA GA or FA i know has such a section, and interbasket does not cover all the info anyway.

I will check back within a week or after you notify me it is ready. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marie Orono?[edit]

Who is Marie Orono? i've searched other sites and i never came across this Marie Orono. What's your source?

Silencedangel 05:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC) manu fan[reply]

Ref says Many, not Marie, so I've changed it. Not sure how it became Marie. Chensiyuan 05:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to find out about the name ORONO and manu was really married to one with this name but i saw the names Marie and Marienela. Never saw Many though. Manu was really married?? why did i just see this now in wikipedia? i have been checking on him since last year in wikipedia and i just see this name now. Why is that? :D

124.106.182.47 06:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC) friendly neighbor[reply]

Well, that's what NBA.com says. Chensiyuan 07:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uhmm... i'm really confused... i saw NBA.com and they say its Many Orono but i checked other sites, they say Marie. What is it really?

210.213.193.154 11:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)luvidavi[reply]

Vandal's IPs[edit]

The vandal who adds "Ginobili is a flopper" has used all these IPs: 122.3.11.211: talk 119.94.0.238: talk 96.247.37.46: talk 119.94.12.16: talk 119.94.3.120: talk 119.94.0.250: talk 122.144.118.160: talk 58.69.106.184: talk

Editor437 (talk) 14:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would take action if persistent. The v edits were during playoffs after all. Chensiyuan (talk) 22:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Better' known as Manu?[edit]

Is Emanuel David Ginóbili really better known as Manu? He was always called Emanuel before going to NBA where he was nicknamed Manu, like many other non-American players with 'long' and 'strange' names, uncommon to native viewers and fans. I suggest the first sentence being re-written. 88.222.53.221 (talk) 10:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Alex K.[reply]

K'd. Chensiyuan (talk) 10:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He was known as Manu way before the NBA (I think from a brother not being able to pronounce Emanuel properly when they were kids). The Spanish article has "Manu" all over the place. Mariano(t/c) 11:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Manu Ginóbili/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards,--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):

Prose is pretty good, probably an 8/10. --Jackyd101 (talk) 23:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
It is stable.
It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
Overall:
a Pass/Fail:

Thanks for the GAR. Chensiyuan (talk) 01:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Obi Wan Ginobili[edit]

Obi Wan Ginobili redirects here, but there is no mention of that name in the article. SkyDot (talk) 03:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is that supposed to be his nickname? Well I've been maintaining this article for a few years and I've never seen the Obi-wan reference before. Chensiyuan (talk) 03:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Emanuel_David_Ginóbili all_Hallows'_Eve [edit]

I am not a sports sort of person; however, I saw a story this morning that is worth mention.

I saw the bat swat batsketball video a few times, I cannot see the connect; however, ostensibly, it is there.

Someone should add it.

Thank You,

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 15:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Late Bloomer?[edit]

It says in the 'Player Profile' section that Ginobili is a late bloomer because he didn't enter the NBA until aged 25 - which is incorrect. He's became a professional basketball player before age 20, which is not a 'late bloomer' by any stretch of the imagination. Not playing in the NBA until 25 does not mean late bloomer. Just because one league is rated higher than another doesn't mean that somebody's time spent in a 'lesser' league simply didn't happen. This suggests that he didn't start playing professional basketball until coming to the NBA, which is, of course, wholly untrue. ericxpenner (talk) 23:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reamde[edit]

He is mentioned as cultural refence in Neal Stephenson's book "Reamde" (2011). Not sure how to add this 86.134.37.247 (talk) 00:55, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Manu 2012[edit]

--Steffaville (talk) 14:53, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no move. -- tariqabjotu 01:54, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Manu Ginóbili → Manu Ginobili – Oh, so many reasons... First, Ngrams shows only the unaccented version is in use through 2008; second, reliable sources like his local newspaper and official NBA roster card and ESPN and any other reliable English-language source that you can shake a stick at--even his own Facebook page and twitter have it accent-less; third, from a logical perspective, his surname is actually not Spanish, it's Italian. Reliable sources are what we live on, and most English-language reliable sources omit the accent. Wikipedia, awkwardly, is alone in including it among sites in English. Let's change that. Red Slash 01:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment~~ - Hi RedSlash, wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a sports website, consequently we have high-MOS like Britannica - Slobodan Milošević. Per the definition of "reliable" for sources we need sources WP:RS "reliable .. for the statement being made". This means finding a colour photo for the colour of a rose, or an enabled source for Latin American names (ie. that shows in the same text other players with á é í ó but Manu Ginóbili with no accent among names which do have accents). Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose - The accent mark should stay there. It is precedent with all players of any sport that their birth name with accents marks on vowels should be in the article title regardless of where they ended up playing. --MicroX (talk) 04:57, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- And it is one of the five pillars of Wikipedia that we follow reliable sources. Red Slash 08:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Red Slash, please present a source that meets the definition of "reliable" WP:RS "reliable .. for the statement being made" to support your RM. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Context matters The reliability of a source depends on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made and is an appropriate source for that content.

WP:DIACRITICS doesn't say that the source actually has to say "Manu Ginobili's name should be written without an accent." It just has to consistently omit the diacritics. Which every single English-language source does. Seriously, try Google. Looking at the UK version... Besides us, nobody uses the accent. Red Slash 21:59, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per sources below, per WP:RS "reliable for the statement being made" In ictu oculi (talk) 15:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Red Slash,

Again I can only request for the third time, please present a source that meets the definition of "reliable" WP:RS "reliable .. for the statement being made" to support your RM. The sort of sources which are WP:RS reliable for spelling Spanish names are hardback books like these:

Sloan MacRae San Antonio Spurs 2011 "Manu Ginóbili joined the Spurs during the 2002-2003 season."
Quian Quiroga Borges and Memory 2012 "Argentine basketball player Manu Ginóbili, British singer Robert Plant, or more than 50 ..."
Samuel O. Regalado Latinos in U.S. Sport: A History 2011 "Some of these players include Pau Gasol, Emmanuel “Manu” Ginóbili, Sergio Rodriguez, Carmelo Anthony, and Carlos Arroyo. The NBA is beginning to recognize the Latino presence and the potential to market the sport to such audiences..."
John Grasso Historical Dictionary of Basketball 2010 "39 players on the 2004 Olympic team have played in the National Basketball Association—Carlos Delfino, Emanuel “Manu” Ginóbili, Walter Herrmann, Andrés Nocioni, Fabricio Oberto, Juan “Pepe” Sánchez,..."
Luis Columna Promoting Language Through Physical Education 2011 "Manu Ginóbili, Argentina"
Frank J. Lechner Globalization: The Making of World Society 2009 "At that time, a team with Yao Ming, Dirk Nowitzki, Manu Ginóbili, Pau Gasol, and Steve Nash would have given any “purely” American team trouble."

As you can see 100% of these hard back print sources WP:RS "reliable.. for the statement being made" and reliable for whether a Spanish name has accents give the accent. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:18, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW The Italian biography (cover) "Eroe" nazionale in Argentina, Emanuel Ginóbili... In ictu oculi (talk) 01:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you want a reliable source, on his website he lists his name as Manu Ginóbili. We should leave the accent mark. Yes it is one of the five pillars that we follow reliable sources but it's overkill in this case. The way I see the reason for WP:COMMONNAME is in the case the name of something varies wildly from language to language such as the case of William in English and its translation Guillermo in Spanish or the case of Porto in English and Oporto in Spanish. In Ginóbili's case, his name has no major difference and the accent mark should be left in his name out of respect; this is an encyclopedia, not a sports tabloid. I still strongly oppose the move. --MicroX (talk) 02:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, did you look at that picture? The name on the right side of the page is accented because it is taken directly from Wikipedia, as you can clearly see just underneath. And although the name of the link to his homepage has the accent, look at the running text (taken straight from his own website) which has the name... without the accent. Red Slash 20:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well then, good luck requesting a move for similar articles with players in similar situations: Petr Čech, César Azpilicueta, Martin Škrtel, Luis Suárez, José Enrique Sánchez, Sebastián Coates, Nemanja Vidić, Hector Jiménez, Digão. English-language sources won't put in those marks because their journalists probably don't know how to put them in and simply don't care to. --MicroX (talk) 01:06, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Basketball Reference, and the Buenos Aires Herald. WP:DIACRITICS directs us to "follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language". I note that ngram typically misses the majority of diacritics, although in this case it doesn't look like there are any to miss. Kauffner (talk) 10:32, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GBooks has around 200 books that give this name without a diacritic, including Friedman's Latino Athletes (2007) and The Britannica Guide to Basketball (2011). His entire notability is as a player in an American sports league. That he was born in a Spanish-speaking country is a purely biographical detail. Kauffner (talk) 18:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am beginning to form the impression that some of these RM comments may be deliberately intended to mislead.

"This player is mentioned in around 200 books that do not use accents for any player" would be a non-misleading statement.

Instead the way that is phrased "give this name" makes it sound as if 200 books took a specific view on this particular Argentine player, rather than just being cheap books. Accents cost money in printing and publishing, anyone in the printing and publishing business knows this. That's all this comment proves. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:14, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ as per Kauffner. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 18:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Hi User:Hindustanilanguage do you have a source which uses Spanish accents for other Latin American players but leaves them off for this one? If we make this move this will be the first time a Latin American citizen has had his name stripped on en.wp. Are you confident about this? What about US citizen Donté Stallworth - when he appears on webpages which don't use accents his name appears without an accent. When he appears in books which don't use accents his name appears without an accent. But are webpages are books which don't use accents at all the "best such source" and "source reliable for the statement" of whether Donté Stallworth's name includes an accent. Should we initiate a move to strip his, and other American citizens with accents first before we start on Argentine citizens? In ictu oculi (talk) 03:09, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I withdraw my support. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 09:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks (I've struck through support and my own comment for clarity) In ictu oculi (talk) 15:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC) [reply]

Oppose per sources provided by In ictu oculi. There's no reason to anglicize the name of an Argentinian player. mgeo talk 18:56, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'd say "a purely biographical detail" is pretty crucial and fundamental for an encyclopaedia biography to get right. Stripping out diacritics may please some staunch "moral guardians of the English language", but the tendency in the world at large is moving towards embracing diacritics. -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 06:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per IIO. Especially with a BLP, I don't see a compelling reason not to reproduce the subject's name exactly. --BDD (talk) 23:29, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Stick with native name; it's not like English readers would not recognize it; the rest of the article can use his anglicized name if there is consensus.—Bagumba (talk) 23:52, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Manu is of the Spurs[edit]

Hi people! He isn't more a free agent. The new contract is for only year. This is his official twitter advice (in spanish) "Contento de anunciar que seguiré siendo un Spur un tiempo más! #gospursgo #la20aunnosecuelga.".

His twitter is https://twitter.com/manuginobili (official and verified). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.250.17.24 (talk) 21:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Olympics MVP[edit]

Is this a real award? It was added to the article as part of these recent edits, but I've never seen any indication that this award is formally awarded at the Olympics. Maybe the team itself gives an MVP award...? I don't know what Javier Gancedo is talking about here. Zagalejo^^^ 16:22, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"The organization of the basketball tournament of the Olympic Games has appointed MVP to Manu Ginobili , Argentina's guard, who won the gold medal by beating Italy 84-69 in the final ... In the women's tournament the MVP was for the American Lisa Leslia, being also voted their compatriots Tina Thompson and Sheryl Swoopes, as well as the Australian Lauren Jackson, the Nigerian Mfon Udoka, the Russian Maria Stepanova and the Spanish Núria Martínez." spanish source:

http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=19757

"2004: Manu was the star of the Olympics Games in Athens 2004 where Argentina got the Gold Medal: He was leader of the team and won the tournament MVP" english source I:

http://www.thebasketballworld.com/top_players/manu_ginobili.htm

"...as well as changing the world basketball map forever when he led Argentina to win the gold medal at the 2004 Athens Olympic Games as MVP of that tournament, too." english source II:

http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/1410/euroleague-net-interview-manu-ginobili Mtin76 (talk) 22:46, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. After doing some digging, I also found this. Interestingly, 2004 is the only year that shows an MVP. Can anyone offer some more context for this award? Is there a FIBA press release about it anywhere? Zagalejo^^^ 00:25, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are no MVPs in Olympic basketball, at least the IOC doesn't award one. ESPN also handed out similar awards in 2012 but no MVPs either. –H T D 03:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with HTD. Various media sources might anoint an Olympic MVP, but it’s not an official thing and should not be in the lead of the article in my opinion. Also, Ginobili has had such a distinguished career that I think it cheapens the article to put this in the lead. Rikster2 (talk) 04:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above ACB source from Aug 28, 2004, is the most compelling: La organización del torneo de baloncesto de los Juegos Olímpicos ha nombrado MVP a Manu Ginóbili [The organization of the basketball tournament of the Olympic Games has appointed Manu Ginóbili MVP] ..." Presumably it means FIBA issued the award, but it wasn't specific. The same article also says Lisa Leslie was named MVP for women's, but I was unable to verify that. At best, this was a one-time award, which I don't think merits being in the lead.—Bagumba (talk) 09:30, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't think it belongs in the lead, but the National Post in 2008 also wrote that he was "Olympic tournament MVP in 2004".[7] No details here either of who issued the honor.—Bagumba (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is no MVP award for Olympics, never has been, and Olympics officially states no personal awards exist. This is a huge myth that started somehow.Bluesangrel (talk) 19:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

the award existed, the web has some documented source of it, some of which were presented here. But the most relevant of all is that it is endorsed by FIBA itself, the association of national organizations which governs the sport of basketball worldwide this. Beyond the particularity of being the only MVP award of the Games, we must respect that FIBA counts it. It is a documented award earned in good law within the field that Wikipedia must recognize. Mtin76 (talk) 20:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation is not supported by source[edit]

The IPA pronunciation for English that we currently give in this article, /ˈmænuː dʒɪˈnoʊbli/, is not well supported. The cited source, nba.com's "International NBA Players - Pronunciation Guide", is relevant, but unfortunately not easy to use because its pronunciations are not in IPA, or even in a consistent alternative transcription system, and there is no key. What the source actually says is "MAN-u gi-NOB-blee". It is far from clear that "NOB" here corresponds to /ˈnoʊb/ as opposed to /ˈnɑb/ (with the American English "lot" vowel)—compare the "rod" and "MON" in "Vladimir Radmanovic VLAD-a-meer rod-MON-o-vich". It seems like it would be ideal to get an alternative source for the pronunciation; I don't see how an IPA transcription can be justified on the basis of the current ambiguous source.--Urszag (talk) 18:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]