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The result of the debate was keep. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 13:39, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song)[edit]

This is a cover of the Jackson 5 song, which already has an article at "I'll Be There". Although it's not yet official Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs policy, songs that are recorded by more than one artist have one article which discusses all major versions of the song, and uses compound infoboxes (examples: "Radio Ga Ga" and "I Heard it Through the Grapevine"). I was going to go ahead and merge and disambiguate with no redirects, but I wanted to get a consensus first before I did so. FuriousFreddy 14:42, 27 May 2005 (UTC) (Note I've written a merged article, which is up at I'll Be There/temp) --FuriousFreddy 02:12, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep — Number 1 hit song for more than a week and nominated for a grammy. — RJH 15:02, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • ...but since it's the same exact song as the Jackson 5 one, does it really need its own article? --FuriousFreddy 15:09, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to I'll Be There. I think the article is keepable, but since it's the exact same song, it'd probably be better all in one article. -- Grev -- Talk 15:22, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I don't think a merge would be good for either article. Both articles identify the song as the same one and there are mutual links. I don't want to see the Jackson 5 article swamped by the Mariah Carey statistics, which are in themselves encyclopedic. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:36, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep separate, especially since it's a #1 song, also seems to be part of a Mariah Carey wikiproject. Kappa 15:39, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Please do not merge these two articles. As mentioned above, we are in the middle of a Mariah Carey wikiproject, and as Tony Sidaway mentioned, merging these two articles will not enhance either of them and will bring down the overall quality of the articles. OmegaWikipedia 16:34, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with I'll Be There. Articles on songs should cover notable versions of the song. The Wikiproject can link to the article which should mention that Mariah Carey had a number one hit with it. We should have a consistent policy for songs and perhaps we should have a policy forum to decide one. We shouldn't have one rule for Mariah Carey cover versions and one for everybody else. Capitalistroadster 18:01, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • This was my main concern. This same issue could occur with a song such as "Lady Marmalade", which was a major #1 hit for two different acts. --FuriousFreddy 21:23, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, separate of the Jackson 5 entry. Mike H 19:45, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect. Having an article on every song ever recorded by Mariah Carey is ludicrous. This is even more fanboyish than Everyking's Ashlee Simpson obsession. RickK 20:04, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, articles on hit singles are important. I'm not familiar with the Mariah Carey project; are they really writing articles for *every* Mariah song? --FuriousFreddy 23:54, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes unfortunately *every* song. Megan1967 02:49, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • Excuse Me, Rick and Megan, but I really don't think you should be talking when you don't know exactly what you're talking about. The project is not about *every* Mariah Carey song, it's about all her single releases. And Rick, It's a bit rude too to be insulting Everyking and his Ashlee Simpson articles too. And Freddy, I'll Be There is one of the bigger and more remembered hits of Mariah's career. I understand the points mentioned about songs usually being put together, but as mentioned above, it is a project that we have been working on for some while, and they help to maintain the flow the of the Mariah Carey single articles, and merging would really disrupt it. OmegaWikipedia 06:34, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • Are you aware that Everyking became so obsessive about the matter that it eventually went to the arbitratin committee, where he was forbidden from making any edits to Ashlee Simpson aticles? RickK 18:58, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
            • I have no obsession. You know as well as I do what the arbitration cases were about. Everyking 23:56, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'm not sure if it being one of Mariah's "bigger and more remembered hits" is a valid reason to keep it seprate from the other article, which is the Jackson 5's biggest and most remembered hit (and the biggest pre-1988 Motown hit ever).--FuriousFreddy 02:31, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and defer the policy making to the relevant Wikiprojects. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and Delete, don't redirect, it isn't a logical search key. --W(t) 21:34, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
  • Merge. I have a suggestion of my own. Use headings for each significant version—here, the Jackson 5 original and Mariah Carey's. Then, change links in all other articles to point either to the Jackson 5 section, the Mariah Carey section, or the main article, depending on context. Dale Arnett 21:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep this sep please Yuckfoo 23:44, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with "I'll Be There". Megan1967 02:49, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, these are a fantastic set of articles and are well written, leave them alone and stop putting them on votes for deletion. A lot of hard work has been put into them, and this article should be left the way it is. Both this and the Jackson 5 article have relevant information and merging them is too much. This article is also too well written and factual to be deleted. Ultimate Star Wars Freak 13:48, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I didn't want the article deleted; I suggested a merge (essentially a copy-paste job with the removal of redundant information). I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings or undermine anyone's work. The purpose of me putting this on VfD was to get a consensus instead of simply going ahead and merging the articles without a consensus. --FuriousFreddy 21:23, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I understand your point of view, but if you read both articles you'll find they have little to do with each other due to their separate impact and the huge difference between both acts and also there is too much information for a merge to make sense. Ultimate Star Wars Freak 19:47, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • Not exactly. Again, it's the same. exact. song. The only impact either really had is that they (both of them) were major #1 hit records. Should I jump the gun and merge it as an example? --FuriousFreddy 23:28, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Everyking 23:56, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've done a merge, located at I'll Be There/temp. Maybe seeing the example will help the situation. I expanded the information on both records, including correcting some information from both articles that was incorrect. --FuriousFreddy 00:31, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the example, but I think it demonstrates that separate articles are better. Kappa 10:44, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Some songs like Dragostea Din Tei work with one, others need two. In this case two is better. Hedley 01:04, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect, as per Rick. JamesBurns 11:07, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Agreed with above comments, merging the articles does not look good, and keeping them seperate is better SoSoDef 20:08, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This is User:SoSoDef's second edit, the first of which was for Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/O Holy Night (Mariah Carey song)--FuriousFreddy 22:55, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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