Talk:Tintype

The ferrotype, also called the melainotype or tintype, was America's first major contribution to the art of photography. It superceded the ambrotype by the end of the Civil War and went on to become 19th-Century America's favorite quick picture.

It was made the same way as the ambrotype, except that a thin piece of black enameled, or japanned, iron was used in place of glass. Like the ambrotype, the image is reversed.

Ferrotypes were made from thumbnail size to as large as 11" x 14". With the introduction of multi-lensed cameras with sliding backs in the early 1860's, the more typical small sizes were made in volume. These were usually mounted in card mounts of the then popular cart-de-viste size. Made on a metal plate and with a varnished surface, ferrotypes have proven very durable.

Although their popularity waned in the early 20th century, there were street vendors still selling portraits un til th 1950's.

Tintype

The name the world knows it by is tintype. It was first called a melainotype, then ferrotype (by a rival manufacturer of the iron plates used), but the world knows them as tintypes (William Welling, Photography in America, Page 117).--Persianhistory2008 09:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Naomi Rosenblum's 'A World History of Photography' (3rd edition), New York, London, Paris: Abbeville Press, 1997 states that the tintype was invented in 1853 in France, not in 1856 in America. Wikipedia's page on tintypes obviously needs to be reviewed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.4.23 (talk) 22:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Image composition

The article currently states "the image, in gelatin-silver emulsion on the varnished surface,".

Is this correct? Surely it's a collodion-based process, not gelatine, and the varnish is over the image? Sorry, I can't check/correct myself since my reference books are boxed. MarkMLl (talk) 08:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

No it is not correct. Tintypes used the wet plate collodion process on an iron plate covered with some black stuff. Ambrotypes were simply glass collodion negatives mounted in a frame against a black background.

Article needs to be compressed and all the claims as to one process superceding another is irrelevant. Especially as people are producing tintypes today. RPSM (talk) 23:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Example

Why is not Billy the Kids tintype picture used as an example of tintype photos? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Billykid.jpg --Bjs5005 (talk) 10:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

reference

http://www.rleggat.com/photohistory/history/tintype.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by RPSM (talk • contribs) 16:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The wet plate collodion process

The wet plate collodion process produces: 1) wet plate glass negatives that are printed to make paper prints 2) as the collodion wet plate negative looks positive against a black background, mounting the collodion negative against a black background prduced an ambrotype 3) tintypes were the same as ambrotypes except that the support was metal with a black asphalt layer. They are not all different processes; they are one and the same process. RPSM (talk) 20:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Image question

I am curious as to whether the tintype of the infant is a memorial image, i.e. made of a recently deceased infant? The baby seems to be very flaccid, eyes closed, and memorial photos were very common, especially of someone who had never been photographed in life; hence the question. See: Post-mortem photography 207.69.137.27 (talk) 00:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Memorial images are common but i don't think they were in the african american community at that time, it's the first one i've seen. Is the child in fact dead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.72.143 (talk) 20:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

That baby looked very dead. Perhaps the image could be removed? Or maybe I'm just being too sensitive. Cloak' 01:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Tin?

The article is clear that there is no tin used in the process, but less clear why the name "tintype" is used. I presume it's derived from the use of the iron plate, which is sometimes referred to as "tin" (for example, in tin can, tinware and tinsmith) from the early use of tin coatings as rust protection (tinplate). It would be nice to have a referenced mention of the source of the name in the article, though. -- 71.35.100.68 (talk) 19:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Camera Images are Not Reversed Left-to-Right

At the end of the Technical Details section, the article says "Each tintype is usually a camera original, so the image is usually a mirror image, reversed left to right from reality. Sometimes the camera was fitted with a mirror or right-angle prism so that the end result would be right-reading." This isn't true; a lens produces an upside-down image but not an image reversed left-to-right. A camera original image, as from Polaroid cameras (and in fact most cameras sold) simply has to be turned 180 degrees, e.g., right-sid-up. A reversed image is one that has seen an odd number of mirror (including prism backplane mirror) reflections. A camera original in which the image is focused by the lens with not reflections is not reversed.

I can understand the error because waist-level viewers see an image that is reversed left-to-right, which use a ground glass or other focusing medium. Light from the lens is reflected by a reflex mirror onto a horizontal viewing/focusing screen, and the mirror is flipped up to actually take the photographs.

An SLR [pentaprism] is designed to again reverse the image left-to-right by arranging for three reflections between the focusing screen and the horizontal eye level view/focus eyepiece.

Rather than simply delete the last paragraph of the Technical Details section, I would like to understand better what the author was conveying so that I could correct the paragraph and capture the intended meaning. -motorfingers- 02:30, 28 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Motorfingers (talk • contribs)

Not so. Tintype images ARE mirror images. See literature generally. As an example see (terrible image but it contains some writing that is reversed). The Polaroid analogy is wrong as you peel off the polaroid positive and look at it from the other side. Davidnugget (talk) 14:14, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

References

Removed 'Ferrotyping'

Because it has nothing at all to do with the tintype, or the ferrotype, I have removed the following section, which could instead be a link with a disclaimer, since the distinction does need to be made.

"Ferrotyping" Ferrotyping is a still current, finishing treatment applied to ordinary photographic prints made on glossy photographic paper to bring out its reflective properties. Newly processed, still-wet photographic prints and enlargements that have been made on glossy-type paper are squeegeed onto a polished metal plate called a ferrotyping plate. When they dry and split off due to slight shrinkage, they retain a highly reflective gloss. This is not an image-forming technique, despite the name being the same as for the old process. Jamesmcardle^(talk) 00:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

References

American Gem

Tiny headshots in the form of tintypes were merchandised, with albums in which to collect them, as a cheap alternative to cartes de visite under the name 'American Gem' even here in Australia - detail on that could be added here. Jamesmcardle^(talk) 00:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Rating

This article is still pretty undeveloped - I can't see why it is rated 'C'. The tintype has become a bit of a rage amongst a new generation of photographers...it seems for its 'grungy' qualities, so a better treatment of the topic and better accuracy is warranted given the resulting 5,500 pageviews in 30 days. Jamesmcardle^(talk) 00:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)