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I'm American, Bands are "they", not "it" in American English. "We went on tour with it" sounds completely wrong, and this tendency to refer to bands as "it" is something I've noticed on Wikipedia more than anywhere else (and not even consistently within articles, like this one). That's basically it. Esszet (talk) 04:58, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why this Australian guy thinks he understands American English better than I do is beyond me. Esszet (talk) 05:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All I did was point you towards a sourced article explaining the differences in grammar; have a look at MOS:SINGULAR as well, the very reason why you see the singular form more often here like you say. Also, again, please don't revert without reaching a consensus first, per WP:BRD. 4TheWynne(talk•contribs) 07:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Miniapolis: I have no idea what in the fucking world this guy's problem is. He's Australian, he thinks he knows American English better than I do, I tried to explain it to him at his talk page, but all he keeps doing is repeating himself and reverting me wholesale. The very next sentence in the article he keeps mentioning is "However, when a speaker wishes to emphasize that the individuals are acting separately, a plural pronoun may be employed with a singular or plural verb: the team takes their seats, rather than the team takes its seats." He's made no serious attempts to contribute to the discussion, and he has now taken it to the level of edit warring. What should I do here, I've never had an experience like this on Wikipedia. Esszet (talk) 15:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(←) I replied to 4TheWynne on their talk page wrt article ownership, and their WP:DE tag on your talk page is inappropriate. That being said, I'm a non-participant in WP:MOS wars; the MOS is guideline, not policy. It takes two to edit-war and if the singular/plural thing becomes enough of an issue, the page's FA status may be jeopardized. Miniapolis 17:06, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, normally I'd refrain from doing things like this, but the sheer audacity here is outrageous. He isn't even North American! Esszet (talk) 17:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Esszet, you appear to be bordering on personal attacks here. Try to follow talk page guidelines such as WP:TALK#USE, and WP:TPG#YES and stick to the issue not other users. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Miniapolis, all I've done is try to follow grammar/MOS and policy; how do my actions suggest over-application of American English or that I think I WP:OWN the article? The article was already formatted this way and, given I agreed with it/MOS seems to support it, I sought to have the matter discussed first, while Esszet has gone against WP:BRD by reverting prior to/while discussing (the most recent such edit I gave the warning for, as I'd asked multiple times to discuss first) and gotten antsy about me having this stance despite not being American, which is completely irrelevant.
Esszet, regardless of how aggreieved you might feel about what is being argued, I've pointed you to MOS and twice towards a sourced article on the grammatical differences (the excerpt that you took out – However, when a speaker wishes to emphasize that the individuals are acting separately... – doesn't apply to this argument, as the usage that we're referring to is for the band as a whole, not its individual members), how can you say that I've made no serious attempts to contribute to the discussion? 4TheWynne(talk•contribs) 17:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's completely relevant, you don't know what you're talking about. You've now had two North Americans tell you're wrong, and you're still pressing it? If anyone else has anything to add, feel free. I started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style to make the MOS clearer, by the way. Esszet (talk) 18:13, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that Esszet is more familiar with the subtleties of the variety of English used in the article is absolutely relevant here. Miniapolis 18:19, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Miniapolis, well, then, the issue here is that "the subtleties" have put Esszet at odds with MOS, which is a problem. If you're just going to disregard their conduct and focus on mine, fine, but again, I was just following follow grammar/MOS and policy. 4TheWynne(talk•contribs) 03:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just wondering why John Marshall was removed from.the touring members section. His rhythm guitar contributions are well known, as mentioned in this article and this article, and some videos on YouTube which can't be used for obvious reasons. Mewhen123 (talk) 09:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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