Talk:Mexican Mafia

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Reliable sources will not be available[edit]

sur 13 numb3r 0n3 put0z Yes, there are a variety of gang readers and studies available. However, no scholarly research to date exists on prison gangs. In order for this research to be done in proper ethnographic method, the researcher must get incarcerated and risk his/her life in the prison system to get information. So, the complaint that "citations are needed" cannot be alleviated unless this research is done. The way things work in gangs are on a de facto basis. Rules are rarely written down. So, most of what's written here will be based on those word of mouth accounts. The continued "citation needed" should either be removed or somehow explained. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yesitsnot (talk • contribs) 22:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

-->Though Alonso at Streetgangs.com would put the number at far less than a million given the way he tallys his statistics; I would argue that 1 million La Raza gang members in the US is certainly possible given the substantiated population of 45 million plus the Pew Center's recent revision of their 12 million estimate to 20 million for illegal aliens the vast majority which come from Latin America combined with the strong sense of identity to neighborhood or "barrio". I grew up in Los Angeles (a city with over 10 million people in a state where the predominant race is Latino) and the pull of gangs here is very real on a block by block, barrio by barrio, city by city, county by county basis and I have no doubt that 1 million is quite real. The challenge, of course, is to substantiate that statistically. Most gangmembers do not end up declared gangmembers in prison or on law enforcement's gang roll. They have to get caught for that to occur. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.78.119 (talk) 17:15, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about the Mexican mafia that operates in Mexico[edit]

The article needs to be discussed in a wider spectre, so that the history of the other Mexican mafia, the one that operates in Mexico, can be discussed as well.

Thank you and El Senor bless you!

"Antonio Put my back on a silver plate 4 u Martin

--- La eMe is known to sometimes commit group criminal activities in the areas of Tijuana and so forth. http://www.geocities.com/jiggy2000_us/emetimeline.html --- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr716 (talk • contribs) 01:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no 'mafia' in mexico.. its a drug cartel, several actually and they do not all do business with eme. An organized crime syndicate and a drug cartel are 2 different things and most drug cartels would probably have nothing to do with a prison gang, especially considering that prison gang members are notorious drug addicts. Fact is the eme is a distributor for 1 of these cartels but only as far as the southern california hispanic gangs reach goes. Thats were eme gets its distribution network and most of its profit from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.3.132.16 (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mexican Mafia (AKA, La Eme) is not a general term that describes any Mexican National criminal organizations or other criminal organizations with Mexican roots. Mexican Mafia is the specific name for the gang founded by Hero Buff et al. Other gangs (i.e cartels, smuggling rings, street gangs) do not use the term Mexican Mafia as a self descriptor, since it is exclusively used by La Eme.24.181.225.253 (talk) 20:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Business[edit]

What is also interesting to note is the buisness level the Mexican Mafia has with other criminal organizations. The conduct a large amount of "buisness" with the Aryan Brotherhood (AB) and most recently we learned (courtesy of fox news) the Arellano drug cartel operating in Tiajuana, Mexico.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.9.8.23 (talk • contribs) 05:41, 31 January 2007.

Surenos[edit]

what the hell happened to the Surenos page its gone —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcanmoocanu (talk • contribs) 01:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I agree, I clicked on the surenos page and got this instead. Surenos are not all Mexican mafia members; while there may be some overlap, even a lot of it, making an assumption like this is insensitive and prejudiced.Angel of Mons (talk) 01:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Look, if you really want to know all about the Mexican Mafia, just read Ramon "Mundo" Mendoza's book, "From Altar Boy to Hit Man". Mendoza was a Captain in the Mexican Mafia and was Joe Morgan's right-hand man in the 1970's. He was the character "Mundo" in the movie "American Me. He's now in the Witness Protection Program. Search for it on Google or Yahoo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Armanvamp (talk • contribs) 00:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The character Mundo from American Me was not based on the real life Mundo. And that book is only an account of Mendoza's experience with La Eme. It doesn't sever as an factual historical record of the gang.98.176.116.13 (talk) 02:47, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sureños[edit]

The norteños have their own article and how come not the Sureños. ESExSOLO (talk) 02:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They did, but it got redirected to here. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sureños. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 03:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Sureños deserve their own article, the 'articles for deletion' votes were uninformed, ignorant, and plain stupid votes: the Sureños are the single largest hispanic gang in the entire united states: they are near singly responsible for all heroin on the entire west coast of the United States: Black tar heroin is created by the Mexican Mafia across the border, and distributed by the Sureños first & foremost, anybody who gets heroin from a primary source on the entire west coast of the United States gets it from a Sureño! How the hell is that not notable? Go cop heroin from the street anywhere, or go to bluelight.ru or any drug culture forum and ask them what Mexican gang would they approach to cop heroin anywhere in the west. Their sub-culture, common music styles, etc. should all be noted as they run the heroin trade in all of California and surrounding states, spreading further east than white powder heroin has west! 4.242.192.251 (talk) 05:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree. Not only are they as notable as any other gang, as I count the vote, Keep got more votes than delete or re-direct. Niteshift36 (talk) 11:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree. The page should have stayed, only been revised. La Eme is not the same thing as sureños. No redirect was in order, either. Yesitsnot (talk) 06:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree too. But, It is important to note that Surenos aren't a gang. Surenos are a loose alliance of gangs (and sometimes individuals) that are under La Eme's leadership. Hence, all gangs under LA Eme leadership are known as Sureno gangs, and members of those gangs identify themselves as a Sureno, in addition to also identifying themselves as a member of the specific gang that they belong to. 24.181.225.253 (talk) 21:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the surenos[edit]

you should make a section for the surenos, all the street gangs that work for la eme —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.233.86.230 (talk) 07:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

gangland, crime and money in america[edit]

there are many criminal oriented organizations in the u.s. the cosa nostra which is built on five seperate family factions of seperate italian members making it very powerful are the founders of recent organized crime and the word mafia in the americas including canada. the irish mafia, rusian mafia, asian mafia, black mafia and others in the u.s. are the graduates of their influence. there is a blured line of solid fact between a mafia (organized crime), street gang, motorcycle (gang) clubs, hate groups, prison gangs, and most recently basic group thugs commiting crimes in the u.s., but make no mistake theyre united and criminally active in one way or another from defacing public property, soliciting, stealing, murder to bootlegging, smuggling, racketeering, extortion and conspiracy to name a few. according to documentary interviews past and present life for criminals will be lived either 6 ways: incarcerated, in society, inhiding, crippled, dead or alive. the only oragnized crime groups to have changed society in the u.s. for the better or worse have been the russian mafia, black mafias, and the italian mafia at the top making money for them selves and the u.s. the american mafias are more tolerated and welcomed than anything else. the u.s. have different laws for every state; and demographics and geographics influence the rise of criminal groups. bottom line is that every region or area of the criminal activity have their own ideaology and capabilities. east and west coast, the south and midwest are all different from each other in terms of most influence of power. america is the land of opportunity making it the most powerful of all nations. there for it has the most powerful of almost everything. for example comparing the u.s. to another country and their crmiminals is umbelievable. other countries might have the same, but in this case for americans is above equivalent x10. the u.s. is like a big pie and everyone wants a slice of it foreign or not. without a doubt american criminals in the u.s. have rights and that makes them powerful evenmore with money and influence. it is diffiult to stop crime that is why law enforcement has to organize their strategies and one of them is giving a name or tittle to a criminal group or activity this makes it easier for them to isolate and point and say thats the bad guy im looking for or we need to bring to justice and crime being comitted. just because the u.s. has criminal organizations that doesnt mean foreigners cant get a piece of it aswell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptolemy vega (talk • contribs) 01:42, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scraps[edit]

There is no mention in the article of 'Scraps' although Scraps redirects to this article. So why does Scraps redirect to this article rather than renaming the article Scraps (album) to Scraps? Coyets (talk) 12:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I was actually looking for information about the boys' comic Scraps, but there does not appear to be an article about it. Coyets (talk) 12:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's been fixed now, thanks for pointing that out. ClovisPt (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


That's hilarious. Scraps (Scrap, Scrapa) is a slur towards Sureno gangs, that is primarily used by Norteno gangs.24.181.225.253 (talk) 21:10, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A MESSAGE FROM YOUR DADDY[edit]

To begin with the structure of the Mexican Mafia is not as influential and strong as it once was another mexican gang within the la county are the maravillas and they do not pay taxes to the one three. 18 street is a huge gang not using the 13 number on their markings. all this chaos and unorganization of gangs and influence comes from americas history as the land of opporunity for yourself. during the early days in the u.s. states would fight each other for control and leadership. in mexico and the rest of central and south america the first conquistadors were out for themselves and pride, gold, adventure and that delicious native american flower we all know. prisons and jails in california before the 60s was just time incarcerated for a comitted crime. now anybody going to prison must decide who to affiliate with in order to live a prisoners life and fully depend, enforce, aknowledge the rules of the game. here are the most influential gangs i think have the most members in california surenos, nortenos, maravilla, 18 street, and maybe latin kings but i doubt it. on a different note drug cartels starting with colombia and then to mexico are now making money with the skills and medicine made by foreign doctors who created cocaine and methamphetamins from coca leaves and meth with their chemicals in the first place its not like the indegenous suddenly came up with these recipes. turkish vitali. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.179.27.106 (talk) 03:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

mmanu[edit]

i was here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.163.0.101 (talk) 20:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

re:[edit]

which is the ANGERES GANG IN MEXICO????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.206.244.8 (talk) 18:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

according to the you tube documentary video by officials fromt the government surenos are at the bottom level of ranking members of the mexican mafia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptolemy vega (talk • contribs) 00:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

its all about thee west side rebels trece gang los chicos clica i just want to say q.vo to all the homies —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.232.153 (talk) 01:42, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

Changed: "The founder of the gang was Santatna Montoya, who was previously a member of la primera gang" to "The founder of the gang was Luis "Huero Buff", who was previously a member of the gang Varrio Hawaiian Gardens." "Santana Montoya" is a fictional character and La Primera was Montoya's fictional gang in the movie "American Me." American Me is a fictionalized portrayal of La Eme. Huero Buff Flores from Varrio Hawaiian Gardens is the generally accepted mastermind behind the real La Eme.98.176.116.13 (talk) 02:42, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Constitution[edit]

The referenced document (#8) does not support this statement:

"According to the gang's constitution, members may also be punished or murdered if they commit any of four major infractions. These include becoming an informant, acts of homosexuality, acts of cowardice, and showing disrespect against fellow gang members"

That document describes a [Texas] Constitution with 12 rules, and those rules aren't exactly the same as listed.

AThousandYoung (talk) 17:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganized It!!![edit]

I reorganized the page, removed and updated dead links, added more references and citations, added an image, corrected various grammar and sentence structure problems (I'm sure there are still plenty to be corrected) and formatted it to resemble the style of other gang pages. I will put more into it at a later date :) MzNobody (talk) 19:20, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Citation[edit]

I deleted two citations to Leeson and Skarbek because neither of the sentences that they are listed in have anything to do with that article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.203.133 (talk) 20:53, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Mexican Mafia and Texas[edit]

The Mexican Mafia, as described in this article, does not operate in Texas. The analog is properly known as Mexikanemi and is a separate organization. Sometimes, it is referred to as the Texas Mexican Mafia. The previously noted reference only said that the Mexican Mafia operates in 13 states; it did not indicate that one of those states was Texas.

Rules[edit]

Is the Rules section encyclopedic? Is that something we want in other criminal syndicates' entries? I open this to discussion. El_C 05:22, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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How to render EME[edit]

Although it is sometimes styled as "La eMe" with the 'm' instead of the 'e' capitalized, numerous reliable sources (The Washington Post, New York Times, Orange County Register, New York Daily News, Whittier Daily News San Diego Union Tribune, Los Angeles Times, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the FBI, just for starters) call it "La Eme". There's been some back and forth recently, but it would appear that at most points in its history, the article has used both, more or less randomly. In the absence of a compelling argumnent to do otherwise, I suggest we follow the sources and consistently go with "La Eme". RivertorchFIREWATER 06:57, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HARDEST CHICANO GANGS WITHIN THE EME[edit]

THE HARDEST GANGS WITHIN THE EME INCLUDE WHITE FENCE HAZARD AND MANY OTHER BUT THE MOST NOTORIOUS GANG WITHIN THE EME IS VNE (VARRIO NUEVO ESTRADA ).VNE HAS SOME OF THE HARDEST GANG MEMBERS BECAUSE ALL THE REAL GANGSTERS EITHER DIED ON THE STREETS ,DOIN LIFE IN PRISON OR THEY ARE ON DEATH ROW . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.154.253.6 (talk) 19:52, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong VNE if anything is known for exposing the game OG M 2600:1702:9F0:1440:84B1:8C34:F8D:E7AA (talk) 20:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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