Talk:Vladimir of Novgorod/Archive 1

Please pay attention to the usual wikipedia nomenclature. This entry is filed under Name + Alternate Name + Nickname (the technical term for which is 'cognomen' or, in this case, 'attribute'). Since this is an encyclopedia, having two names here is not useful. It would be like having my entry be 'Michael Mike Tinkler' (not that anyone out there actually calls me 'Mike' now that my grandmother is dead). HJ, this is one of your worst. MichaelTinkler

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Since the missions of Ansgar of Hamburg and Bremen and Olga of Kiev's request to the Frankish/German emperor, missionaries went to live among the Rus and noble families married their daughters to the princes of Kiev and Novgorod, for many centuries a Hanseatic League outpost.

Ansgar, c. 800. Olga's conversion, c. 950? Valdimar Holti the Nimble, born 1020. Christianity in Kievan Rus, of course, was not accepted from western missionaries (except for Olga, who mainly failed), but from Constantinople. That's why they're still Russian Orthodox, Helga. If they married Germans, it was a matter of convenience. Novgorod predates the Hanseatic league. Oh, and given that you care about genealogy, Helga, WHICH Swedish King? By the way, your version of Conrad III's family was dead wrong. Check your sources before you type. MichaelTinkler

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And while we're about it, acceded to what? Vicki Rosenzweig

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Exactly. And it was Novgorod, not Kiev, as that pathetic excuse for an article implied. This is the second piece of the understandably anonymous 66.47.62.78's drivel in half an hour that I've had to waste time editing because it didn't even mention where the people concerned ruled (the other one didn't even indicate the centuries concerned - see Babenberg): she of course doesn't give a damn, relying instead on the rest of us to clean up her incompetent mess after her.

I'm sick of seeing Wikipedia's integrity consistently undermined by such rubbish - it's not as if she's ever contributed anything worthwhile (and even if she had, the abysmal inaccuracy of the rest would make it worthless on grounds of reliability). As for "daughter of a Swedish king"... (but you'll notice the obscure "count Lippold von Stade from near Hamburg" gets his full title and even a link! And what the hell are "Vladimar" and "Usevolod" anyway? Time for a 66.47.62.78 militia, I think. Or just classify the lot as vandalism and delete or revert. User:David Parker

David -- 66.47.62.78 is none other than our friend the intellectually lazy (at best) Frau H. Jonat (who has accused MT of drinking too much and me of making ridiculous statements...). We have been trying since September to convince her that genealogy (especially bad genealogy) is not valid for encyclopedia entries and that it's better to write one good article than to leave tons of really crappy stubs for others to clean up, but to no avail. Oh -- but you knew that. User:JHK

It's not surprising she prefers to remain anonymous than have her "efforts" signposted: I'd keep my head down if I was only capable of rubbish like that, too. User:David Parker