Talk:Joseph Haydn

Joseph Haydn
Joseph Haydn
	Portrait by Thomas Hardy, 1791
Born	Rohrau
Baptized	31 March 1732
Died	31 May 1809 (aged 77); Vienna
Works	List of compositions

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Infobox[edit]

A user added an infobox, it was reverted citing archive 1 of this talk page. I restored it, with amendments, edit summary: "I looked at the archive, it runs to 2016, while an RfC for Mozart was in 2023. It was reverted. I believe the article about Haydn would profit from at-a-glance information, as Beethoven and Mozart. What do others think? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having read the article and the many notes within, here are my thoughts.

I see the Mozart RfC as a WP:LOCALCON where the discussion was focused on that specific article, and of course infoboxes are neither required or not required; local consensus defines this.
The discussion from 2006, is still germane (namely, the relevance of his birthplace).
There is the murky issue of his baptism versus his birth date, which of course is somewhere around his baptism date. The note in the lede better explains it. I think it is an oversimplification to have the baptism date in the infobox as it alludes to the issue as being settled.
Haydn was a very prolific composer, and I think the List of Compositions is an oversimplification; the See Also section has 8(!) lists of his works, categorized by type. This points the reader to a more relevant subset of his works depending on their interests. And honestly, looking through the List of Compositions page, it's a mess. It really is too long to navigate comfortably but that's another discussion.

This leads me to Oppose. Jip Orlando (talk) 15:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have to work on Requiem (Verdi) and promised work on a bio, so short:

Most encyclopedias give places of birth and death as a standard, and our our MoS seems to expect them in the infobox, regardless of relevance.
When a baptism date is given, it indicates that the date of birth is unclear.
The lead of the list of compositions gives an overview. You - we - could write a better overview, but it's a service for those more interested in what he composed than names such as (from the lead) "Father of the Symphony" and "Father of the String quartet", and the "wealthy Esterházy family" and his friendships. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]