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Gjon Buzuku[edit]

I don't know why the article has Gjon Buzuku listed as a Malsore, when he is from the Kraje/Shestani region in Bar, Montenegro from the village of Brisku. There is also documented fact and there is not prof at all that he was from Malsia. He was from Brisku Posht, ne breg liqeni shkodres. Not Malsia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.27.243.165 (talk) 00:27, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If he was from Krajë than he is a malësor. He's known for first writing in Alabanian. 47.18.88.234 (talk) 15:58, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General comments[edit]

My goodness, what an interesting geographical designation. Backed by long and contentious history we expect... and a similar future no doubt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wetman (talk • contribs) 02:57, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the article needs rephrasing of some sort(meaning some grammar corrections).Is anyone up to it?Amenifus (talk) 12:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We have moe Malësia[edit]

Malësia in south montenegro, nord Albania and west Kosovo it was called Malësia or in gegë dialect Malcia e Shkodrës. It was the high land of the Shkodra Vilajet.--Ejte 05:32, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clean Up[edit]

I've taken it upon myself to clean up this article, alond with the individual clan descriptions. I have some excellent historical sources at my disposal (as well as some oral histories). With my info AND the raw information contained in the article, I suspect it will be as accurate as possible. CapedCamish 16:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)Robert Luke Camaj[reply]

The Geography section[edit]

I had to delete much of the geography section because, not only was it too bulky, but most of the information that was there was too tedious. I'm currently working on a map that will express what the previous author was trying to say.

Trust me, much editing and adding of information will be done later, although now I simply want to keep the page clean of redudant information. Further, it sounds plagiarized from a textbook so, to be on the safe side, let's leave it out (e.g. "Geography is the only way to know a people," etc.). It will be fixed, I promise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.46.116.90 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2 cents[edit]

I am the author of this information - wrote it about 2 years ago. Some info has been deleted, but it is OK because it was not referenced - time did not permit

I want to thank the person who edited the article last for his/her great English language craftsmanship (that coming from a hard grading English teacher)

I have one request. Keep the name Malcia/Maltsia as is. (I am not getting into the politics of language here) However, if you want to use the Standard'72’s conventions, then the official and the grammatically correct name is Malsi e Madhe, or just Malsi.

Another thing: This page is about the heritage of all Maltsia people, not about the Malsia as a region in Montenegro or Malsi e Madhe in Albania. Definetely not about a particular religion. Hence, I think, you should include the Maltsor people that live by the Adriatic Sea, Rugova and Vuthaj as well (they could be your cousins)

I'm setting up an Albanian page with everything in this page and much more -- all referenced, with pictures of the books.

Keep up the good work.

P.S. I implore you not to adhere to the Albanian History and Culture books written during the communist regime (and those written afterwards which adhere to that attitude). It will be a disservice to anyone that reads the article.

thanks again

Unsourced speculations[edit]

Illyrian Religious Practices .......and moreMegistias (talk) 19:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moved comments from article to talk page[edit]

If you do not know the history, please refrain yourselves from "contributing" to the page. 1) Maltsia is not about being catholic or muslim but about maintaining the pre-ottoman tradition

2) It was Prenk Tsali that lead the anti-communist rebellion against the communists and the war took place in Kelmen. Llesh Marashi was important and the head of Shkodra County for a time, but not the leader. The War took place in Kelmen, not in Shkrel. 3) Kelmeni is by far the largest region, if we count the new settlements in Rugova and the Adriatic Shore.

4) Keep this in mind. Maltsia people are not called tribes. That is what the Islamic Fundamentalist/Communist/Homosexual Enver Hodja Called us only to hide his turkish/gypsy/arabic origins.

Maltsia has always been known as "Male" (mountains). So Maltsia has 7 Mountains NOT 7 tribes. Thank you.

If you do not mind, please stay out of my way, unless, you too, are doing the homework before "contributing"..... thanks a million ... u're all brothers n' sisters of mine.

By the way, if you know someone that understands Gheg Albanian and can translate it for you in english, check this site Malcia esepcially, check the RESOURCES, as they come from Marin Sirdani, the founder of Albanian Critical History, Counsel of Austro-Hungary and many other albanologists, anthropoligsts, dialectologists, writers and other professionals.

(Posted by anon user to article page) κaτaʟaveno^T_C 01:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can translate but have no access to the books mentioned in the page.Not sure if it's ok to use the page itself as sources.Amenifus (talk) 08:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What these ignoramus who learned the albanian history either through Hodja or Tito is painful - worse than anadollak (turkish) occupation To find the books, you need to go to Shkodra City or Prishtina City I do not know where in Prishtina, but in Shkodre, here is where to find them 1) Piaca (ne shqip -- pyet: Ku asht pjaca? 2) Visit Libraria Camaj-Pipa, Libraria Franceskane dhe Nji Library Pa Emen ne mes te dy librarive te permenduna. Ajo Librari ka shum lira mbi Letersine dhe Gjuhen. Nuk asht Aq Komerciale sa Camaj-Pipa dhe jo aq Kristiane se Libraria Frnceskane, por asht ne nji nivel ma te Larte intelektual se te dy librarie e tjere sepse u sherben Profesorve dhe Studenteve te Institutit Luigj Gurakuqi. (Per arsye qe nuk kuptohen ata e reklamojne vetveten si nji kinkaleri - variety, art, and beautY shop, but all they sellis Books for the University

Thanks

PS. some of the front covers of the books are published in www.malcia.org

thanks again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.32.109 (talk) 00:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pyet: ku asht pjaca?.Funny.Well, I lack both the time and resources of a trip to either Shkoder or Prishtine.Thanks, though.Amenifus (talk) 09:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seven Tribes Kastrati[edit]

I edited this section to remove the reference that Kastrat is within Montenegro. This is erroneous. My grandfather hails from there, and he was without question born in Albania. I am not sure why such obvious misinformation was included here, but it is fixed now. It is a simple matter of geography; if you have any questions, consult a map. Also, please note that there is no relation whatsoever between Kastrati and Berisha, the two being at opposite ends of the country (Ghegg from the North; Tosk from the South). Any Albanian will tell you that any proposed affiliation is ludicrous. Furthermore, some Albanians possess Slavic names only as a result of Slavic domination of the region. The same is true of any family of Kastrat. There is no inconclusiveness regarding whether or not Kastrat is “originally” Albanian, regardless of Slavic influence. It is also true that most Montenegrins are of Albanian origin themselves, having undergone Slavicization throughout history. The necessary corrections have been made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.44.182 (talk) 16:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any ref for this? Also it is not true that Montenegrins are of Albanian origin, you made your self look silly and showing that you don't know history. Rave92^(talk) 17:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This poster is not inaccurate. Although Montenegro is a Slavic nation, there are significant communities of Albanians in Montenegro, as well as in the FYR of Macedonia, and Serbia (Kosovo). Often, members of a minority community (or majority, as in the case of Kosovo) will adopt names which resemble those held by the majority population. For assimilated Albanians, for those whose ancestral seats reside in what is now Slavic territory, the adoption of Slavic names is commonplace. This occurs frequently in Montenegro and Macedonia, usually to avoid persecution, ethnic cleansing, etc.

History decidedly favors the Albanians, we must remember, as they predate the Slavic peoples in the Balkans. The borders of Albania are largely indefinable since Slavic invasions throughout history have displaced aboriginal populations at various points. The territories of the ancestors of the Albanians transcend modern geopolitics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.243.47.190 (talk) 06:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You talk like the Albanians were here even before human specie? You know since when Albania exists as country, about what "Albanian" territories are you talking about? Rave92^(talk) 14:22, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prek Cali not Prenk Cali[edit]

His name is spelled Prek Cali. It is incorrect to write it out as Prenk Cali. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.56.93 (talk) 18:48, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fellow Shqiptars[edit]

Could Malesia derive from a contraction of Mal (mountain or mountain side) and Zi (black) to mean "black mountain"? I understand it also can mean "highlands" but I think this alternative is worthy of consideration. The concept of the "black mountain" is also seen in nearby Montenegro, once a part of Illyria as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.175.183 (talk) 09:20, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mal i Zi or Mali i Zi means "Black Mountain" and refers to Montenegro. Malësia means "Mountaineers', which means a person living in the Mountains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.21.103 (talk) 16:42, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am Malsore. And yes -"Blackmountaineer" is what the word "Malsor" LITERALLY means. "Malësia" = "black mountain land". I really think ppl who don't speak a single word albanian should not try to "translate" albanian words... and for sure no "etymologies".

There would be no [S] or [Z] in Mal[s]or if the meaning was just "Mountain". Despite the fact that "Malsoret" are THE highlanders. Every albanian knows that "Malsor" is an albanian Highlander from the >>North<< - and not just to refer to a highlander.

However, there are different (sub)dialects in Gheg. Some write it with a Z or S. Both are correct.

▪ >>[MALOR] ("highlander"), sg., indef. ▪ >>[MALORI] ("the highlander"), sg., def. ▪ [VEND MALOR] ("highland") ▪>> [MALSOR]/[MALËSOR] = "blackmountaineer" m. sg. indef. ▪ >>[MALSORI]/[MALËSORI] = "the Blackmountaineer", sg., indef. ■ malë|s[i|o]r or mal|s[i|o]r > here's where 2 vowels meet eachother. that's why the [i] "has to go" = MAL+S+OR. It's called GRAMMAR!

▪ [MAL] = "mountain", sg. indef. ▪ [MALI] = "the mountain", sg. def. ▪ [MALE] = "mountains", pl.

▪ [ZI] or [SI] = "black"

▪ [MAL|SI] or [MAL|ZI] = "Black|mountain", literally: "Mountain|black" ▪ [MAL I SI] or [MAL I ZI] = "black mountain", literally: "mountain of black" ▪ [MALI I SI] or [MALI I ZI] "the black mountain", literally: "mountain-the of black"

[a-MAL-theia, a-MAL-thia:] "MAL" is in fact an ILLYRIAN word. There are more than enough sources.

▪ [DHI] "(nanny)goat" ▪ [DHIA] "the goat" ▪ [MAL + DHIA] = "THE MOUNTAIN + GOAT"

@68.239.21.103: Stop messing around with albanian language. LEARN IT. And then tell us again what "Malsor" means. Thank you. ILYHDRAB (talk) 01:44, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"SHKRELSMEN"[edit]

wt... is that?! 😂😂😂😂 someone remove and replace that with "Shkrel's", "Shkreli's" or whatever. LAGTON (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

Malesija, Montenegro is the BCMS spelling for Malësia, a region divided between Montenegro and Albania. There is no point in having two articles for a single region with shared history, culture and politics. Bibliography doesn't do that and it hasn't happened in real life either as they are pretty much similar in all aspects. For example, a major part of the culture of the area are its tribes. Bibliography doesn't treat them as communities of different regions, but as the ten tribes of Malësia as an indivisible concept. Literally, the only thing this article has to offer to Malësia is the BCMS spelling. I propose for it to be merged into Malësia. --Maleschreiber (talk) 19:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please join the discussion at Talk:Malesija, Montenegro#Merge. wbm1058 (talk) 22:37, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 12:04, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]