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Can we update the image to the 2020 version? Since the original content is 30 years old? Triosdeity (talk) 10:29, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

agreed DuneEnjoyer333 (talk) 02:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it appears whatever image you uploaded was deleted because it was a copyrighted image incorrectly uploaded to Commons, which is for free images. Anyway, the current photo (Francesca Annis) has been in the article and considered definitive of the character since 2006, so any change should be discussed here and not made without consensus. Thanks! — TAnthony^Talk 16:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean how do we make a consensus DuneEnjoyer333 (talk) 19:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do we just call a vote here and see who replies? Doesn't seem to be a super active article DuneEnjoyer333 (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TAnthony Before I call a consensus vote, what are your objections to changing the image to the more recent actor? I understand there was an older version of the character but the Dune from the 80's was no where near as sucessful (nor influential) as the 2021 version. As proof of this, id like to point out it won 6 academy awards and made by far, even adjusting for inlfation, more money than the 80's dune. I don't think the majority of people would think the old version of this character is the best representation, similar to Paul Atreides. DuneEnjoyer333 (talk) 19:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I LOVE the new films and Rebecca Ferguson, but the success of the film itself doesn't necessarily get transferred onto all of its elements and characters. In my opinion, the 1984 Jessica is very definitive and visually interesting. What photo of Ferguson would you choose? It's common in comic book and soap opera articles to use "the most recent" representation of a character but elsewhere not so much. It's interesting you mention Paul Atreides because that image was changed without wide consensus, which led to a giant battle over whether or not there should be a non-free photo at all, and sort of revealed that some people were unhappy with the change. Anyway, my personal "vote" on an image change would depend on which one you're suggesting.— TAnthony^Talk 22:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would disagree. I understand that the 1984 is more visually interesting but I really kind of doubt that most people would associate that image as Lady Jessica today. I think that it would be safe to say that not nearly as many people have seen the original Dune so when they saw the movie in theaters, thats who they assicoate as Lady Jessica. In terms of which image precisely, I could offer a few ideas and we see which one people like the best.

In short, my position is just that I think we should put the new actress up simply because its more recognizable to the majority of people, due in large part to the success of the film.

I think we have several great options to choose from:

Option 1: This is from the Dune wiki, we might be able to do something similar where we have the different variants of her that can be toggeled with a simple button: reducing potential clutter. [1]https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Jessica_Atreides

Option 2: [2]https://ew.com/thmb/f4UbBdBeAgFsxfaHHP38n11Ku74=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/Dune-Two-022324-565003af9eb64d159f60c2c51e4b48e5.jpg

This comes from this article: [3]https://ew.com/how-dune-part-two-handles-alia-jessica-pregnancy-8599667

Option 3

This is from the Italian Wikipedia, its just the main image

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Jessica DuneEnjoyer333 (talk) 22:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would personally vote for Option 2, as I think it shows her character the best. If that one doesnt work for copyright reasons id go with Option 3 DuneEnjoyer333 (talk) 23:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah 1 or 2 are what I would call definitive. Copyright wise they're the same, non-free like the current one.— TAnthony^Talk 00:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you for working with me on this, I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, do we wait a few days to see if anyone else has input and if not, call option 2 "consensus?" DuneEnjoyer333 (talk) 00:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'll draft a more concise proposal for you below, and then post some notifications. An image change is a relatively small matter, but it should have a discussion in this case because it's potentially controversial. However, it's not something that has the kind of impact to require global input in a more formal discussion. For your future knowledge, it's fine to notify other editors about a discussion with the intent of getting more participation toward a consensus, but you must avoid WP:CANVASSING, which is making notifications in such a way as to attempt to influence the potential results. For example, only notifying editors you believe may agree with a certain argument, or wording your notification in such a way as to convince others of something. It best just to post a generic notification on talk pages where you expect to find editors interested in participating. Also, in these discussions editors typically "vote" with comments, like this:

Change to Option 17, the red carpet photo is the best depiction of Abraham Lincoln. — AbeLover45
Keep existing photo, which is more current. — NotSoFastMister

Thanks!— TAnthony^Talk 17:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed infobox image change[edit]

Per their comments above, DuneEnjoyer333 is proposing that the infobox image for this article be changed from the Francesca Annis 1984 version to Rebecca Ferguson from the current Villeneuve films. Their suggestions are as follows:

Option 1: Dune 2 - Tattooed Jessica 1, from the Dune wiki
Option 2: Dune 2 - Tattoo Jessica 2 from Entertainment Weekly
Option 3: Dune 1 - Jessica with blue scarf from the Italian Wikipedia

DuneEnjoyer333, I don't want to improperly paraphrase your comments above, so please feel free to "vote" and comment here. Thanks.— TAnthony^Talk 17:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Option 2 I personally think is best (and would be my vote out of the 3). I think it shows her character in a way defined enough that most people would automatically recognize her.

Thanks for helping me with this btw@TAnthony you're awesome man DuneEnjoyer333 (talk) 17:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer Option 3 or something like it because the character does not get tattooed until the second film, and I think in general the first prominent appearance is appropriate enough. Plus I feel like we could possibly show something like Option 1/2 in the article body if there is critical commentary for the tattooed look. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the current 1984 image, but I'm intrigued by Erik's idea of incorporating the 2024 tattoo Jessica (Option 2) with sourced commentary into the article itself. I'm going to overthink this for you now LOL. The Francesca Annis version of Jessica is the first adaptation and very iconic/distinctive. I love Rebecca Ferguson, but her looks from the 2021 film don't jump out insofar as they're just the actress in simple couture, and don't look much different than the Commons image we already have of Ferguson as herself. The tattoo image is spectacular and distinctive, but is too specific for the infobox, as it doesn't quite represent the character as a whole. Erik's idea is genius, because we can use two images of actresses in character instead of one and not violate NFCC, and the body of the article is perfect for the Part Two representation. I've expanded the Villenueve films section of the article, and think Option 2 would fit right in there.— TAnthony^Talk 14:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]