Talk:Lake Como

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Name[edit]

About the name in English: I find that "Lake of Como" is the most accurate, and it is the literally translation of the Italian name "Lago di Como". Looking for it on Google I also found "Como Lake", but it misleads into thinking that "Como" might be the name of the lake itself, while it's not, it's just the main town on the lake's shores.

And its real name "Lario" is used very rarely, so I don't think it should be used, I'm placing a redirect for it now. Laz 23:19 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I know it isn't a perfectly accurate translation, but in English, the lake is known as "Lake Como" (59,400 Google hits on English-language pages) not "Lake of Como" (1,960 hits on English-language pages). As this is the English-language Wikipedia, the convention is to give thing the most common name used in an English-language context. Therefore, I'm moving this to Lake Como. --Camembert
As you wish, but I'm still deeply convinced that this is a big mistake and it misleads people into thinking that Como is the name of the lake, while it is not at all. Google hits give the most common name, and this generally works for our purposes; but if the most common name is wrong, IMHO a good Encyclopedia should point it out and list the correct name. But I'm sure not going to argue anymore about this, we're not here to argue. I'll leave it up to someone else. Laz 12:40 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)
If you want to explain details about the lake's name, pointing out that in Italian the lake isn't called "Como" as such, then great - do so in the article. But the title should be the most common name used in an English-language context (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names)). Incidentally, the Columbia, Macmillan and Hutchinson encyclopaedias all call this "Lake Como", as does the Penguin Encyclopaedia of Places. --Camembert
I was thinking the same thing actually... a note similar to Kings Cross station's one. Ok, thanks for the tip. Laz 13:08 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)

When I saw "Lake of Como" I said "Whaaa!? Who let the Italians run amuck!" :-) It may be a fine literal translation, but "Lake of X" is extremely uncommon, Lake of the Woods is the only one that comes to mind. To borrow a line from books on software localization, one should give precedence to native speakers' ideas about what sounds right. Stan 05:49, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I moved Lago di Como back to Lake Como. -- User:Docu

"From running a search on Google one might conclude that "Lake Como" is much more common, in English, than "Lake of Como"." - I removed this note because Google results are rather ephmeral and not necessarily a reliable source either. People who are that interested should come read this talk page. Stan 16:32, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Sincerly I think is much more accurate to name the article "Lario": Italians care about history and it's the original historic name. I find the use of Lake of something profoundly wrong and too much simplified. For example King Louis IV is offently called The King Sun... but fortunately Wikipedia uses his common name... why not do the same with our lakes? - Quattrop 17:20 03 Aug 2005 (SGT)

Lario isn't so rarely as you think, here we often use to say Lario, and citizens of Como are comaschi or lariani --2001:B07:645B:A5C0:2E2B:F9FF:FEB2:16A0 (talk) 18:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

KOM-LAKE - the well-known etymology is not satisfactory. The connection with the toponym Komel (see Komelskoye) is difficult, because the name of the lake does not have the formant "-la". The Vepsian kom - “godfather” is borrowed from the Russian language, [1]https://nason.ru/ozera/1440/ KOMELSKOE, the Komela River flows out of the lake, the second name is NIKOLSKOE, after the name of the Nikolsky Ozersky Monastery, founded in 1520 by the monk Stefaniy (west of Gryaz.). - Judging by the formant "-la". denoting a location or place of belonging in the Baltic-Finnish toponymy, the river name should be based on either the name of a person or a generic nickname, as, for example, in the toponym Kundola (one of the rivers flowing into Lake Komelskoye) - in Veps "kund" - " genus, a group of people related by kinship. To interpret the name of Komel, one can offer the Finnish kama - "trash, junk", kamu - "cargo, belongings", provided that a similar term was in antiquity and in the language of the Veps. Could such a concept as “trash, junk, belongings, belongings” act as a name of a genus or a nickname of a person? perceived today in Russian speech only in a certain negative sense? But do not forget that before, and even in a different language, such a concept had a meaning that was completely uncharacteristic of the present, apparently deeper - the designation of all property belonging to the clan. It is also curious to consider the issue of the pre-Slavic name of Lake Komel. 176.65.96.151 (talk) 18:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Risotto book link[edit]

Although the book is related to the Villa d’Este, I didn’t find this link to Amazon particulary informative

I’ve removed it rom the article for now—Ian Spackman 23:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

addition of the book was probably link spam. See User_talk:66.108.157.73 --Mattarata 22:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

This article includes superb photos. If you took them, uploaded them, added them, or captioned them, please accept my thanks. —Ian Spackman 14:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of images, does the article really need 3 panoramas? Splamo 22:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fish ?[edit]

Are there fish in the lake? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.24 (talk) 10:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC). Yes, a lot --2001:B07:645B:A5C0:2E2B:F9FF:FEB2:16A0 (talk) 18:09, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lake Como#Places on the lake[edit]

All municipality articles note which region and province they are located in, how far they are from Milan, etc, but only a few describe their location on Lake Como! -- User:Docu

Yes. Most of those little articles were created by a robot which knows about regions and provinces and demography and so forth, and can work out distances and directions from the coordinates, but knows nothing about lakes.
if you wanted to work through them—or even some of them—, adding the information, that would be great. Cheers! —Ian Spackman 13:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. I will try to do one or the other. I already went through those on Lake Lugano. -- User:Docu

External links moved here from the article[edit]

I am moving all of them (except {{commonscat}} here. There are far, far too many and really they ought to be restored only one at a time, after carefully reviewing them for their value.

  • "Lago di Como". Coordinamento Turistico Lago di Como. A tourism portal, developed by a partnership between public bodies and private consortia.[2]
  • Lake Como in German, French and Italian in the online Historical Dictionary of Switzerland. A short factual article using the Guida azzura di Como e dintorni (1989) as its principal source.
  • Map of Lake Como
  • City of Como Official site of the Commune
  • City of Lecco Official site of the Commune
  • Provincia di Lecco (in Italian) Official site of the Province
  • Provincia di Como (in Italian) Official site of the Province
  • Lecco APT touristic promotional association (in Italian)
  • Official site of the Villa Carlotta (in English)
  • History of the Villa d’Este and its Gardens (in English). Commercial site of the Villa d’Este hotel offering some brief historical coverage.
  • Locanda dell'Isola Comacina. (in English) Commercial site of an Isola Comacina pub, with information on the island and its history.
  • http://www.larioonline.it Lake Como travel guide (in Italian)
  • Lago di Como (in Italian) Italian Wikipedia article

—Ian Spackman 11:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update October 2009:

I have added the {{dmoz}} template to aid readers in finding sites related to the subject and have left in place the {{commons}} link template. I have left in the site Ferry Services on Italian Lakes - Lake Como <navigazionelaghi.it> on the basis that it is the official site of the ferry operator, which is discussed in the article itself.

I am not at all convinced however that the other two sites—decent as they are in their different ways—pass the rather stringent tests for inclusion set out in WP:EL: e.g. ‘one should avoid…any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article’. I am therefore removing them here and would suggest that they be restored only after consensus has been achieved following discusion on this talk page:

Official Virtual Tour - Lake Como <como-lake.arounder.com>
Not official in any meaningful sense—though the municipality of Como is one of the sponsers. A collection of decent quality panoramic images displayed using Flash.
News and Events - Lake Como <lakecomopages.com>
The English translation can be a bit slapdash—on the page on Tremezzo, for instance, the Villa Carlotta seems to have become the Villa Carla—but is certainly no worse than many similar sites and in general it is often rather informative. Pages like the one on Como Winds, could be usefully read by someone improving our article.

—Ian Spackman (talk) 13:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pollution[edit]

The cited bit about the lake's pollution had been deleted. I added it back in as the information seemed both relevant and well supported. Let me know if I missed something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.211.119.246 (talk) 20:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Depth of the lake[edit]

In the German article, a depth of 425 meters for the lake is mentionend. This is a very new information, in 2007 scientists found out the new depth of the lake. This is the information, I have found on the German wikipedia article of Lake Como. But there are no sources for this information. Does anyone know any about the new depth (if so, wikipedia needs some more information) or is 410 m still correct? thanks, --Holger1974 (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Einstein's Fateful Visit to Lake Como[edit]

Perhaps one of the most interesting aspects of Einstein's personal life was the fact that he had an illegitimate daughter whose existence was only known to a few during Einstein's lifetime. In fact the rest of world was unaware that Einstein had a third child until 1986, long after his death.

Einstein impregnated Mileva Maric during a vacation at Lake Como in April of 1901 (See Walter Isaacson's biography pg 63-67). This was an extremely fateful vacation, as it lead to Einstein marrying Maric and the birth of their daughter Lieserl. It is unclear what happened to Lieserl, but most likely she either died or was adopted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.161.215.195 (talk) 06:55, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Villa Serbelloni internal link weirdnesss[edit]

hovering over or clicking the Villa_Serbelloni link takes you to the Rockefeller Foundation link

(i would assume because it's the next valid internal link on the page?)

because there is no English version of that page yet (Italian, Deutsche, and Chinese versions of the Villa_Serbelloni page exist though)

but i also found this subsection about the villa on another page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellagio,_Lombardy#Villa_Serbelloni and that page is in just about every language ...

so.......... should the link point to that subsection for the villa on the Bellagio article instead of the main article only in three languages?

just a thought... was gonna just make the change, but then figured posting the thought here might be better before taking further action

Cheers, Chris Heath (talk) 06:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Flooding[edit]

The article currently says: 'Lake Como is fed primarily by the Adda, which enters the lake near Colico and flows out at Lecco. This geological conformation makes the southwestern branch a dead end, and so Como, unlike Lecco, is often flooded.' I'm not sure that is a sufficient explanation for the reportedly frequent flooding of Lecco - if indeed that is a fact, since this is not referenced anyway. Unless under the influence of sustained high winds from the northern quarter, there should be no particular water level difference between different parts of the lake, and I'd expect these to be small differences anyway. thanks Geopersona (talk) 17:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Swimming[edit]

As a resident of Como and a major contributor to the city's article (https://xtools.wmcloud.org/authorship/en.wikipedia.org/Como/) I felt compelled to add a note to swimmers to be cautious when deciding to dive and swim in Lake Como - each summer the local media reports 5/10 cases of people drowning after carelessly diving and swimming where they think it is safe; Lake Como instead is quite dangerous, especially for unexperienced and casual swimmers: in many places the waters get quickly very deep (15 meters / 50 feet) a few meters from the shore; the lake's waters can also be very cold, even during hot summer days, and cause a cold shock to careless divers, which has resulted in many deaths, even among healthy young people and athletes. Swimming is also dangerous because of unexpected and sudden underwater currents and whirlpools. Since the page is visited on average 1500 times a day, mostly for touristic info, i hope this note of caution contributes to avoid another preventable death. Itemirus (talk) 06:32, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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