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Anonymous reverts[edit]

"Not clear why these specific incidents should be mentioned here, this is not an article on the 1982 Lebanon war. Also it's very suspicious that you choose only a minority of instances that paint the brigade in a negative light."

The "friendly fire" incident was the most serious such incident in the entire history of the IDF, and therefore deserves being mentioned. As it is in the Hebrew page on the Nahal brigade. It does not paint the Nahal brigade in a negative light. But rather, the Israel Air Force, or a single pilot of the Air Force. The Nahal soldiers were only the victims.

The Bhamdoun prisoners episode does paint the Nahal in a negative light. At least in Israel. But this is not the "fans of the Nahal brigade" page.

The prisoner exchanges it resulted in, had important consequences both in Lebanon and the Palestinian occupied territories. It strengthened PLO in Lebanon and contributed to the first intifada. It therefore deserves being mentioned.

Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 00:14, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please unprotect the page or provide for wider editing permissions[edit]

The page has a number of inaccuracies such as regarding training and the unit in 2021 experienced a restructuring which utterly changed the unit in every aspect, including the name… it is no longer even called Gadsar Nahal, rather Sayeret Nahal. I am associated with the Sayeret Nahal alumni organization and I would like to update the page to more accurately reflect our unit. Azackin (talk) 14:43, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Azackin can you give us some sources, especially any secondary independent sources. Doug Weller talk 15:22, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing though as I see the name is still used, eg [1] Doug Weller talk 15:24, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an official statement in Hebrew from the Battalion Commander. The most important thing to note is that the name changed from “Gadsar” to “Sayeret.” Sayeret was the name of the Gadsar’s reconnaissance company, and being that the word “Sayeret” in Hebrew denotes special forces, it was more fitting for the name of the battalion as a whole rather than a specific company within the battalion. Additionally, the names of the companies (Palsar/Sayeret, Orev, and Palhan) were changed to their respective codenames the Palsar/Sayeret being officially renamed “Tzur”, the Palhan “Sapir”, and the Orev “Gazit”. In other words, the Gadsar was renamed Sayeret and it’s companies were renamed using their codenames as new official names. This process occurred not just in Sayeret Nahal, but in all of the reconnaissance units of all the IDF infantry units (Golani, Givati, Paratroopers, Nahal, and Kfir).

This is certainly the most important update, however there are other historical and contemporary details that I would like to add. I would really like to make a more comprehensive and well-cited page for my unit and I would be happy to know what would be the most efficient way to accomplish such a feat. It seems a bit tedious to submit information so circuitously.

https://www.idf.il/אתרי-יחידות/חטיבת-הנח-ל/כל-הכתבות/2021/דף-מפקד-השתנות-נחל/ Azackin (talk) 15:51, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Doug,

I just realized that this whole time I have been commenting on the "Nahal Brigade" page and not specifically the "Gadsar Nahal" page. All the information I provided is still relevant and necessary to change on the "Nahal Brigade" page regarding the Sayeret, however, it is certainly more important for me to focus my attention on the "Gadsar Nahal" page itself. Azackin (talk) 16:17, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Azackin you literally can’t edit that article so use the talk page. Doug Weller talk 16:59, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok so for now I will communicate with the admins of the "Gadsar Nahal" page, and after updating information there I will pass it on to this page. Thanks for the help! Azackin (talk) 20:16, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Azackin Admins don’t run pages but we have a military history project Doug Weller talk 20:44, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adding[edit]

The nahal brigade commander as of now is oran simcha. בןברוקמן (talk) 19:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Why are the words "First Intifada" at the beginning of article, even before title? Please remove.Pritagros (talk) 11:53, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 14:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]