Talk:Dakota Fanning

Dakota Fanning ancestry

Hello.

My edit concerning Ms. Fanning's family history was reverted, and I was advised to discuss it on her talk page first, so that is what I'm doing now. The editor apparently wasn't sure that it was relevant...

As a genealogist, I think that it is relevant to discuss all aspects of a person on her page. True, we shouldn't add information on what she had for breakfast this morning, but this is not the same thing. Certain families in America, especially New English and Southern planter ones, usually set great store in genealogical research. If the Fannings didn't care about such research, why would there be footage of Elle Fanning talking about how excited she was about a new revelation concerning her ancestry?

Beyond just this, I would also point out that there are precedents. On Jane Fonda's page, for example, we're told that she's descended from Queen Jane Seymour of England, whom she is even named after. Emilia Clarke's page likewise talks about Ms. Clarke's descent from an Indian. Why, then, would Ms. Fanning's case be different?

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 10:00, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

FTR, I don't think this is notable enough to include in the article. But I am withdrawing my objection to its addition right now, as nobody else has objected to it. However, if another editor objects and/or removes this from the article, then I think it should stay out until a consensus for its inclusion is demonstrated. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IJBall... As per our last discussion on this subject, All Hallow's Wraith has recently removed the reference to Ms. Fanning's ancestry. I actually didn't remember that this was said by you concerning it... I had actually been speaking to him on his talk page, and was going to restore it because he stopped responding to my arguments in defence of it, but then I saw that we had addressed this last year. As a result, I have decided to leave the reference out for the time being until a consensus has been reached, but my points concerning it don't seem to me to have been properly countered by anybody at this point... There is both a reputable source to support the reference and a demonstrable precedent in other Wikipedia pages. I've already mentioned Fonda and Clarke, but we can now add the director Guy Ritchie - who is also descended from the Plantagenets - and the singer Beyonce Knowles-Carter - who is herself descended from the Acadian pioneer Joseph Broussard. All of this can be verified by visiting their pages, and notability is a relative notion. Just because it wouldn't interest All Hallow's Wraith doesn't mean that it wouldn't interest me, and the notability is buttressed by the fact that there are multiple sources... Even if we leave out the primary Ancestry.com article, there is the now deleted "Elle Australia" citation and a separate "Daily Mail" one that I can provide.

FTR, I generally agree with what All Hallow's Wraith said on their Talk on the subject – they largely support my original comments. I would say that currently, there isn't consensus support for the inclusion of this in the article... (Note, also: WP:DAILYMAIL1 – these days the Daily Mail is considered WP:NOTRS, esp. for bio info at WP:BLPs.) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:32, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I would say 350-400 years ago would be a good limit, at minimum, barring obvious exceptions like Queen Elizabeth II where her direct line of descent going back centuries and centuries is notable. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 15:30, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for weighing in, IJBall. So three hundred and fifty to four hundred years is the rough limit that you propose as far as the notability of ancestry goes, All Hallow's Wraith? Fair enough. That would cover Knowles-Carter and Clarke, and Fonda as well I suppose, but not Ritchie. Anyway, I'll leave this matter as it is for the time being... Although I would advise against being so blasè about ancient ancestry more generally moving forward. Both my fellow Africans and a number of other non-Western ethnicities - such as the Maoris - derive their senses of being and places in society from genealogical antecedents that are even older than the ones being discussed here.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)O.ominirabluejackO.ominirabluejack (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, @IJBall:...

Something occurred to me earlier today, and I thought that I'd run it by you and @All Hallow's Wraith: here before running with it.

Seeing as how All Hallow's Wraith proposed a general timeframe of between 350 to 400 years for ancestral notability, I was thinking that maybe what could be done as a compromise was to say instead that Ms. Fanning is descended from the colonial gentleman William Farrar, whom the "Elle Magazine" reference that was previously cited acknowledges as her genealogical link to the Plantagenets. We make no mention of Edward III on her page. On Farrar's, meanwhile, we include a reference to his descent from that monarch. That way, it's not on Ms. Fanning's page per se, but any genealogist with a little dedication can nevertheless still find it.

Also, both additions would then fall within the ambit of All Hallow's Wraith's rule of thumb.

What do the two of you think of that?

Here's hoping that you are both well.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 13:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)O.ominirabluejack

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Her feature in the twilight saga. 109.158.147.65 (talk) 20:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC)