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RE: Start date for the St. Louis - San Francisco Railway Company[edit]

Prior 1876[edit]

According to the papers housed at the University of Missouri's Western Historical Manuscript Collection - Rolla, MO:

The St. Louis - San Francisco Railway Company began operations as the Southwest branch of the Pacific Railway Company, founded by John C. Fremont, in 1845.

John C. Fremont’s Pacific Railway became (due to a series of financial re-organizations):

South West Pacific (1866-1868)
South Pacific (1868-1870)
Atlantic & Pacific Railroad (1870-1876)

In Sep. of 1876 the company reorganizes, and splits itself off
FROM:

Atlantic & Pacific Railroad (South West Branch)

TO form:

The St. Louis - San Francisco Railway Company

Sources[edit]

Mann, Clair V.: Source Materials for History of Frisco, 1845-1945 (4 vols.)

1876-to-1893[edit]

Formation of the St. Louis - San Francisco Railway Company occurred on:

Includes reports from organization of company, Sept. 7, 1876 to year ending Dec. 31, 1889 (first through thirteenth reports). Includes lists of boards of directors, officers, misc. financial statements, reports on conditions of track, bridging, mason ry, depots, etc. There are also stock and mileage reports, reports of tonnage moved and passengers carried, reports from Land Department. Tables are broken down among main line and branches, 1879 and after. Fold-out maps, 1881 and after. Reports cove r the time period 1877, 1879-1889.

Sources[edit]

Ledger, Sept. 1876 to Dec. 1879
Annual Reports, 1876-1889
No. 1: Minutes of meetings of Board of Directors, Stockholders, and Executive Committee, Sept. 7, 1876 to Apr. 15, 1880. Minutes are detailed and include Articles of Association, bylaws, and amendments.
No. 1: Minutes of stockholders' meetings, June 6, 1876 to Aug. 9, 1879
Minutes of Executive Committee, Mar. 28, 1878 to Jan. 2, 1879
No. 2: Minutes of meetings of Board of Directors and Executive Committee, Apr. 15, 1880 to Nov. 14, 1883
No. 2: Minutes of stockholders' meetings, July 28, 1879 to June 1, 1882
No. 3: Minutes of Board of Directors and Executive Committee, Dec. 11, 1883 to Oct. 9, 1889
No. 3: Minutes of stockholders' meetings, July 1, 1881 to May 14, 1890
No. 4: Minutes of Board of Directors' and Executive Committee, Dec. 13, 1889 to Feb. 20, 1912
No. 4: Minutes of stockholders' meetings, July 21, 1890 to Oct. 29, 1895

University of Missouri-Rolla
1870 Miner Circle
Rolla, MO 65409-0060
573/341-4874
whmcinfo@umr.edu

According to papers housed and the Kansas Heritage Group of the University of Kansas:

31 JAN 1880 -- St. Louis and San Francisco Railroad -- was grading right-of-way in Leon, Kansas.

The University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045
(785) 864-2700

1893-to-1896[edit]

The St. Louis - San Francisco Railway Company begins legal proceedings, Dec. 23, 1893, that will lead them to re-organize:

Mercantile Trust Company, Trustee, vs. SL&SF Ry. Co.: Vol. 1
- Record of proceedings of U.S. Circuit Court, 1893-1894 - Bill of Complaint, Dec. 23, 1893. Supplemental Bill of Complaint, July 26, 1894. Front of volume contains an index of petitions, answers, orders of courts and opinions.

Mercantile Trust Company, Trustee, vs. SL&SF Ry. Co.: Vol. 2
- Record of proceedings of U.S. Circuit Court, ca. Dec. 12, 1894 to June 7, 1895 - Index. Includes petitions, agreements, leases, answers, receivers' and masters' reports, orders of court, etc.

Mercantile Trust Company, Trustee, vs. SL&SF Ry. Co.: Vol. 3
- Record of proceedings of U.S. Circuit Court, ca. July 2, 1895 to Apr. 30, 1896 - Index. Includes petitions, answers, motions, receivers' and masters' reports, orders of court, decrees, etc.

Mercantile Trust Company, Trustee, vs. SL&SF Ry. Co.: Vol. 4
- Record of proceedings of U.S. Circuit Court, ca. May 6, 1896 to Feb. 9, 1900 - Index. Includes petitions, answers, motions, receivers' and masters' reports, orders of court, decrees, etc.

In June of 1896 the company reorganizes FROM:

The St. Louis - San Francisco Railway Company

TO:

The St. Louis - San Francisco Railroad Company

- This is purely a legal and financial move to re-organize, declaring the stock of the former company worthless, and re-financing with the bond holders and new stock holders into the latter.

SUMMARY (WHMC @ UofM-R):[edit]

The modern history of the "Frisco" can be dated from the organization of the St. Louis and San Francisco Railway Company in 1876. This road fell into receivership in 1893, emerging in 1896 as the new St. Louis and San Francisco Railroad Company. This firm likewise failed, in 1913, being reorganized in 1916 as the St. Louis-San Francisco Railway Company. This corporate identification was retained, despite further financial difficulties, until it was absorbed by the Burlington Northern in 1980.

Headquartered in St. Louis, the "Frisco" served a wide area, with terminals in St. Louis, Kansas City (Mo.), Dallas, Memphis, Birmingham, Mobile, and Pensacola (Fla.). The "X-shaped" system maintained a primary junction at Springfield (Mo.). At its peak, in the 1930s, the road operated on over 5,000 miles of track.

WikiDon

This summary by WHMC would be great in the article. I'm going ahead and correcting the "start date" to 1876 and correcting the HQ to St. Louis. Thanks again for this great information and for correcting my errors. -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 23:15, 2005 May 25 (UTC)

Acquisitions[edit]

I didn't think that there would be any articles on any of the acquired roads. I even double-checked the "dufunct" list, which I summized would be in vien. WikiDon 16:22, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pittsburg v. Pittsburgh[edit]

Their legal and incorporated names

From the Secretary of State of Kansas:

"PITTSBURG AND COLUMBUS RAILWAY COMPANY" [1]
"PITTSBURG RAILWAY AND LIGHT COMPANY" [2]

From the Secretary of State of Missouri:

"JOPLIN & PITTSBURG STREET RAILROAD COMPANY" (LEGAL) [3]
"JOPLIN AND PITTSBURG RAILWAY COMPANY" (LEGAL) [4]
"KANSAS CITY, PITTSBURG AND GULF RAILROAD COMPANY" (LEGAL) [5]
"PITTSBURGH AND KANSAS CITY RAILWAY CO." (LEGAL) [6]
"THE JOPLIN-PITTSBURG RAILROAD COMPANY" (LEGAL) [7]

Its: PITTSBURG

Ah, then the source I had was wrong. My bad. --SPUI (talk) 16:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:14, 11 March 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

St. Louis – San Francisco Railway → St. Louis–San Francisco Railway – These sorts of punctuation are better and more commonly represented as unspaced endashes. See "New York–Los Angeles flight" on MOS:ENDASH. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 03:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support, though it could have been done as a technical instead of an RM, since it's just an uncontroversial update to the 2011 MOS:DASH version. Dicklyon (talk) 16:08, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Origin of the name?[edit]

Why include "San Francisco" if they didn't go there? Did they plan to eventually? - Richfife (talk) 19:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Surviving equipment[edit]

What about St. Louis-San Francisco Railway 4516: Missouri State Fairgrounds, Sedalia, Missouri. in Article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.136.146.243 (talk) 13:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures[edit]

How do I upload a picture? I have a cool railroad bridge on my property and would like to know the history. Amyfruzia (talk) 02:50, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]