Talk:Castlevania (1986 video game)

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What's this about the game coming out in Japan in 1993? That's ridiculous. The original Japanese Famicom version came out BEFORE the US NES release.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.239.206.148 (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Check the page again. The "original Japanese Famicom" version was a Famicom Disk System game: it wasn't released as a cartridge in Japan until 1993. This is explicitly stated in the article text. – Seancdaug 03:44, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

Where? It says only at the bottom of the page with that date; the article itself does not explicitly state that there was even a Japanese Famicom cartridge release. The article goes chonologically from the US cart release to 1990's PC version, to 2002. I don't see a specific discussion of the cart re-release other than "February 5, 1993 Japan". It could stand to be better explained in the text, if it was real.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.155.223 (talk) 03:55, 19 June 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that there's not really too much information available on the cart rerelease other than that it was, in fact, released. And it's pretty explicitly spelled out that the game was originally released for the FDS: the FDS is listed first in the infobox, and the opening sentence says that the game was "developed and published by Konami for the Famicom Disk System in 1986." It is further explained that the game was later ported to cartridge format for the North American and European releases. While I understand the desire for more information on the Japanese cartridge release, I really don't see what's so confusing about the current presentation. The FDS is mentioned more prominently throughout the article than the original NES, so even a cursory examination of the thing should, I would think, clear up any confusion. With the information we could find, there's not really much to say about the Japanese cartridge release other than what is said in the release date box, and I can't see how restating that information is going to clear anything up. That being said, if you've got some idea of how to edit the article to improve things, go right ahead. Trying to summarize all the platforms this game has been on is tricky, and it's entirely possible that it's not all as clear as I'd love for it to be. – Seancdaug 04:15, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Story Updated/Upgraded a bit

I updated the story on this game a bit...If you want to fix anything feel free to! --Yahweh 1 July 2005 17:56 (UTC)

Are all of the screenshots necessary?

They take up half the page, and seem to not add all that much to the actual article itself. Hbdragon88 22:43, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Screenshots look fine to me, always good to have a overview about the different incarnations of a game and how they looked compared to each other. -- Grumbel 02:25, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Dracula?

Could someone clarify the use of the name "Dracula" in the original NES game? I own the original NES American release, and it [i]specifically[/i] avoids calling the vampire "Dracula," and instead calls him "The Count." By the NES American release of "Simon's Quest," he is called "Dracula," but not before. It sounds like there may have been copyright worries here ala Conan/Case Closed. Please note - perhaps the Japanese version of the game used the name "Dracula," but the American version disparity should be addressed. --L. 22:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Hearts as Mana/SecondWeapon-Energie?

Not really sure if it is relevant for the article, but one thing I find confusing about the Castlevania series is that they use hearts as mana or energie for the second weapon and not for filling the life energie. Does anybody know why Castlevania does use hearts for that purpose, which seems to conflict with the conventions in basically all other games I know. -- Grumbel 02:25, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

MSX2 Vampire Killer the original version?

Regarding Castlevania, in almost every article except this one is stated that the MSX2 Vampire Killer is the original version of the first Castlevania, which came out before the Nintendo FDS version. IF this is true, shouldn´t it be included here?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.237.211 (talk) 12:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Remakes?

It is mentioned that Super Castlevania is a remake/adaptation of the NES Castlevania. However, I've seen little to connect the two as the same game. Sure, they both take place in Dracula's castle and have the same name, but don't most Castlevania games? As stated above, the MSX version of Akumajou Dracula came first, and should also not be listed under this section. Haunted Castle seems distinct enough from the NES game that I wouldn't consider it the same game. It is noted that all the games are distinct from this one; why, then, are we mentioning them here instead of the series article? The Sharp version should be mentioned for its updated graphics, but the others should be left out.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacquismo (talk • contribs) 23:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

They are mentioned because it is a general consensus among the fans. Just take a look at the Castlevania Dungeon or other sites like that, like Mr. P's. They are considered "remakes" because they share basically the same idea. Same name, same character (Simon), etc. What makes other Castlevania games "other games" is that they usually feature different names and different main characters. These games here share the same premise: "Simon goes to Castlevania to defeat Dracula, and that's it". It's true Haunted Castle features Simon's wife/bride as well, though, but this is what people generally accept. Remakes.

Might sound strange, but this is pretty much how it works. You said you've seen little to connect the two (NES Castlevania and Super Castlevania IV) as the same game, but well, they are not the same game. That's not what we are saying. Also, the X68000 Castlevania is also a game on its own. It has as much to do with the original game as SCIV does.--Kaonashi 02:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

It's very difficult to track down precise release dates for MSX games, but most places I've looked give a date of October 1986 for Vampire Killer, whereas the Famicom Disk System version was definitely released on 26 September of that year. Very close, but it does appear that the FDS version was the first out of the starting gate. – Seancdaug 02:41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Vampire Killer

The article suggests that Vampire Killer is an "adaptation or version" of Castlevania. Vampire Killer is, in fact, the game that spawned the Castlevania franchise. Therefore, Castlevania is an adaptation of Vampire Killer; not the other way around.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.236.30.20 (talk) 18:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Aye. Also, someone seems to have added Bloody Tears (Haunted Castle/Simon's Quest, etc) and A Requiem (Simon's Quest) as two of the game's tracks. This is clearly not the case! :p

Perhaps the 20th Anniversary disc is causing some confusion; it seems to be recognised as a different soundtrack (perhaps Castlevania Chronicles') when you run it through Winamp. - Klatrymadon—Preceding undated comment added by Klatrymadon (talk • contribs) 19:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Vampire Killer is the Second Game, I believe

All the sources I've read that refer to exact release dates point to the following:

Akumajô Dracula- 22 September 1986, Famicom Disk System Vampire Killer- 30 October 1986, MSX2 Home Computer Castlevania- 1 May 1987, Nintendo Entertainment System

This information can be found at Moby Games, among other places. Although I still have these games today and played them when I was much, much younger, I don't remember myself (obviously), the exact release dates of them.

Regardless, there are several other places that attest that Vampire Killer is an "adaptation" of Akumajô Dracula, such as the Castlevania Dungeon and VG Museum.

So, it seems that the "first game" came out in September (whether it was the 22 or the 26) and then was adapted into a more difficult and more RPG-like version called Vampire Killer, named after the whip Simon used. --Yahweh 22:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Simon Belmont

In this article it is stated that Simon is the great-grandson of Christopher Belmont, but this seems unlikely. Christopher Belmont fought Dracula from 1576-91 and Simon didn't fight Dracula until a century later (1691-98). Thus, it seems more likely that Simon is Christopher's great-great-grandson, or in other words, as stated on the Simon Belmont article, the great-grandson of Soleiyu Belmont (who "came of age" in 1591). --Yahweh 22:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

chronicles manual says he is the great grandson of christopher. end92.14.217.219 (talk) 10:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Plot

The plot section seems to be marketing copy. Even if it isn't, it could use with sprucing up. Lots42 (talk) 06:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Number of Players

In the Castlevania manual, it states that the game can be played by two alternating players. It also states that by pressing SELECT at the title screen you switch to 2-player mode. Was this a planned feature that was never used? 72.161.200.85 (talk) 03:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Contradictory paragraph?

I don't know much about the Castlevania series beyond the original game, but the second paragraph in the header seems to contradict itself:

"The storyline of Castlevania is part of the fictional universe of the Castlevania series, which features the struggle between the vampire hunters of the Belmont clan and the vampire lord Dracula. The game is set in the past relative to its predecessors and the plot follows the adventures of Simon Belmont, a descendant of Trevor Belmont."

Castlevania being the first game in the series (first released, mind you--I'm given to understand that the stories in some games in the series are set chronologically before the original's), how can it have predecessors? Assuming that what is meant is that these other games are predecessors in the chronology of the series, as opposed to the timeline of the games' releases, then Castlevania can't be "set in the past relative" to those games if their stories precede Castlevania's chronologically. Could someone in the know clear this up? -- Pennyforth (talk) 06:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Early Castlevania-like game on Macintosh?

I remember playing some sort of side-scrolling, black and white, castle/dungeon game on an early Macintosh computer. I thought it was Castlevania, but I don't see a version that was release for the Mac platform. Does anyone know what game this might have been? Faint memories recall a castle, bats flying around, and similar basic gameplay to most Castlevania games. -Speedeep (talk) 13:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I also remember this game, it was well made and a lot of fun. I too thought it might have been called Castlevania, but it clearly wasn't. I'd love to figure out what it was. Dsghi (talk) 01:10, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Value of the Original Castlevania Arcade machine

What is the pressumed value of the original Castlevania arcade machine, all original, unserviced and in proper working condition? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.28.224.148 (talk) 04:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

whats up with the credits

so, they just took some celebrities' names and changed them at random? what's the point? is that supposed to be funny? was the game made by grade schoolers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.242.135.36 (talk) 22:35, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Castlevania (video game)

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Also an arcade game

I remember seeing this at my local arcade, exact same game as the NES version, however. Should this be noted, maybe it was on one of the playchoice machines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.105.202 (talk) 05:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it would have been one of the PlayChoice units. The only arcade-specific Castlevania game is Haunted Castle, which was rather different as it wasn't initially intended as a Castlevania game but was made into one during development. oknazevad (talk) 09:33, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

This is it, not a playchoice machine but it was called vs castlevania same as nes, just a few different colors and harder. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/hC-jps-IK2UALkr6TZi1kIrfSWoGAjoDUnB6VGT5ADaFL15n3UFUABs14k5ZLVWEUKqHI4M39K6_zcBhHzb-i_9h17kIBwtTu2OmnA 71.184.110.64 (talk) 01:53, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 31 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved - No consensus for the proposed move. Essentially the primary topic here is disputed. (non-admin closure) FOARP (talk) 09:41, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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Castlevania (1986 video game) → Castlevania (video game) – Definitely the most-known game titled simply 'Castlevania'. A google search of "Castlevania" "video game" produces only series articles or articles about this game (It might eventually produce a non-NES article, but I haven't seen it). The video game disambig isn't even used for another game, so it's a bit of a waste, and people can be easily directed to the other entries with a disambignote at the top. Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 01:46, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Compared to the 1999 video game, it's simply not the obvious primary topic. There is WP:NOPRIMARY here either by pageviews or longterm significance. The NES Castlevania is not even in the top best-known Castlevania games. This is not a simple matter of "first: most well-known". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure why you're bringing up games not named simply Castlevania. The only games that are relevant are games that, in at least one region, are named "Castlevania". If Castlevania was less well-known than all but the other three examples, that would mean nothing. With that being said, there's numerous reasons why it's the primary topic over 1999 CV, and pageviews are one example, where the pageviews of 1986 triple those of 1999. Another example of why it's the primary topic is that the 1999 video game released on the Nintendo 64 and nowhere else. Meanwhile, 1986 Castlevania has appeared on NES, Famicom, Arcade, Commodore 64, Amiga, MS-DOS, mobile phones, Game Boy Advance, Nintendo Switch, Windows, Xbox One, and PlayStation 4. It was also released on the NES Classic Edition. I also find your arguments a little dubious; you don't seem to make any claim of what the 1999 game has going for it by comparison. A comparatively limited release, whose article is less frequently viewed by a significant degree, that has neither notably low reviews or notably high reviews (of which, 1986 Casrtlevania has). Looking at reliable sources, we also have Time Extension comparing 1986's significance to the series to Super Mario Bros.' significance to Mario. I'm also not sure what you are basing 1986 Castlevania not being among the top best-known Castlevania games on? Even if we accept that, as I mentioned above, the only significance is whether 1986 Castlevania is more well-known than other games called Castlevania. We can use common sense to say that 1999 is not, nor are Circle of the Moon and Lament of Innocence, both not having ports outside of their original platforms until Circle of the Moon released in a collection in recent years. This is extra compounded by the fact that neither game is called just 'Castlevania' in North America.

  Ultimately, I guess I would ask what 1999 has that compares to 1986 Castlevania being called the SMB1 of Castlevania. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 11:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  To elaborate further, in the article itself, it's identified as one of the best NES games and Nintendo games. It's called "one of the most enduring games" by Retro Gamer. Called the "essential" CV experience by IGN, who attributes Castlevania's legend status to it. Without similar commentary on the other three games, it seems pretty clear to me which is the primary topic. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 11:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support. This seems like a WP:PDAB situation on the surface. O.N.R. ^(talk) 11:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, proposed title is ambiguous. 162 etc. (talk) 18:50, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  To what extent? I could see if the proposal was to name it Castlevania, but as I've argued, the 1986 release is by far the most known entry to go by that name. For example, there are many things that are known as just Mario, but we acknowledge that putting the character in that role does not create a level of ambiguity that we should be concerned about. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  See WP:PDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 01:47, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

  I'm aware of that, I'm asking for elaboration on what makes the proposed title change excessively ambiguous. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

  Other commenters have already explained that, see above, and below. 162 etc. (talk) 02:02, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

  No commenters have explained this. There have been claims, but no explanations that applies specifically to this discussion. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 02:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ and 162 etc. Castlevania (video game) does indeed represent incomplete disambiguation and should redirect, as it currently does, to the Castlevania (disambiguation)#Video games dab page. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  To be clear, are you of the belief that, if two articles share the same title, there should be disambiguation regardless of the popularity of one or the other? Or do you believe that it is not clear that one is that much more popular than the other? - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 22:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

While I, of course, support the generally accepted concept of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, I am against incomplete disambiguation. Having stated that, I am aware of the existence of Wikipedia:Partially disambiguated page names#List of reported partially disambiguated article titles and their characteristics, all of which are the result of WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Thus, if a sufficient number of votes support this nomination, Castlevania (video game) will have the opportunity of joining the list. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nominator. This is the best known video game called "Castlevania". JIP | Talk 10:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

  @JIP: It's not about which is the "best-known", WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY requires one to be far and away the most popular. Pageviews don't bear that out. Views are a bit more than double for the NES game which is not primary topic material when the TV series gets far more views than both combined. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm but the TV series is not relevant to what the primary topic is for video games titled Castlevania. It's the question of what a person most likely would be expecting to see when searching for Castlevania (video game). - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:34, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

  Okay, what I was really talking about was WP:INCDAB where it says, "In individual cases consensus may determine that a parenthetically disambiguated title that is still ambiguous has a primary topic, but the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation." In other words the threshold for the NES game being primary amongst other games is very high. Slightly more than twice the views doesn't meet such a high threshold. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:34, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Completely unnecessary added ambiguity in a place where none currently is. Gonnym (talk) 16:30, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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