Talk:Divisions of the world in Islam

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Ibn Taymiyyah[edit]

Ibn Taymiyyah has even contradicted the classical view since he did not call Mardin dar ul-harb because muslims could live there free. So I see his mentioning politically motivated since he is the favourite scholar of the jihadis. We should delete this.

Ali Gomaa & al-Quaradawi[edit]

I removed [the Domain of Disbelief where the battle for the domination of Islam should be waged] from al-Qaradawi quote. As far as I know Ali Gomaa & al-Quardawai this isn't what he meant by Dar Al-Harb. The concept of continues jihad against the non-Muslim world doesn't exist in Modern Islam. Now Dar al-Hard is used to describe countries which are in a state of war with a Muslim country. Also Islam forbid killing an unarmed person. That's of course as far as I know--Mustafaahmedhussien (talk) 20:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article should be deleted[edit]

The division this article talks about is not found in Islam (based on quran and hadiths). This division is not accepted among the majority of Muslims nor majority of Muslims ever heard of it. This concept of division was created by some. If there was an article written for every concept one small group of people might hold, this wikipedia will go bankrupt for providing space.Tarikur (talk) 01:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Wikipedia is an educational resourse and is a starting point for looking for further information. The article should not be deleted but it should be made clear in the introductory paragraphs that the divisions in Islam are a concept, but of which are based on Qur'an and Sunnah, which is plainly evident upon inspection. Mainly, the concept of the world being divided into two camps, that of the believers (Muslims or Mumin) and that of the unbelievers. (Kuffar).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthur Warrington Thomas (talk • contribs)
I agree. This article depends upon political POV in regards to what Islam should be and how the muslims should behave. Faro0485 (talk) 20:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. These divisions exist, but as an independent article don't make much sense- it should be under Islam, or the World of Islam, but not under this title. Divonbriesen (talk) 01:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. This notion is mentioned in Islamic sources and widely discussed by classical Muslim scholarship.

It is recorded by Ibn Sa'd in an authentic chain (isnad) on the authority of Salamah bin Nufayl al-Hadrami who narrates from Jubayr bin Nufayr, who narrates from al-Walid bin Abd al Rahman al-Jarashi, who narrates from Muhammad bin Muhajir al-Ansari, who narrates from of al-Walīd bin Muslim, that the Prophet (saw) said: "The centre of Dar al-Islam is in Sham." (Ibn Sa'd, al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, 1997, Vol. 7, pp. 427–428) أَلاَ إِنَّ عُقْرَ دَارِ الإسلام الشَّامُ "The worthiest of the believers' abode (land) is as-Sham" (Tabarani) Al-Sham is the Levant region incorporating Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. Ref: https://www.islamiqate.com/3338/did-the-prophet-saw-use-the-terms-dar-al-islam-or-dar-al-harb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.96.136 (talk) 04:34, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Article should not be automatic redirect from Dar al-Islam[edit]

Dar al-Islam is a muslim organization in New Mexico, USA- there should be a disambiguation page prior to this one. There is no easy way to link to that site, and to the Tanzanian city Darussalam with a redirect from Dar al-Islam directly to here - since the name changes.

2 parts[edit]

As far as I understand the issue, basing on the Qur'an the Islamic faith generally divides the world into 2 parts: (1) dar al-Islam (dwelling of Islam) and (2) dar al-harb (dwelling of the sword, war). This vision is common, as far as I understand, to all branches of Islam, although for natural reasons, it is endorsed more thoroughly among the militant Islamists, in particular the Wahhabi division of Islam, which is predominant in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States (Bin-Laden belongs to this school), and the Shi'ite islam practiced in Iran (and endorsed by its proxy Hizballah). Naturally, this view is also shared by the fundamentalist organizations (Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad) in the Palestinian Authority (and indeed to an extent, by any Muslim close enough to the religion). It takes only to attend to Arafat's own words comparing his Oslo Accords with the peace Muhammad made (and unilaterally broke) with the Kuraish tribe to understand the deep religious motives in the Arab hate towards Jews and Israel. --Uriyan (from Talk:Anti-Semitism)

This (above)is an overly simplistic analysis. As far as Palestinians, there are many organizations which have nothing to do with Islam fighting Israeli rule. "Arab's religious motives" must be a joke. What about Palestinian Christians and Druze. Indeed, secular Palestinian organizations had more support until the intifada when Islamic organizations came to the forefront. You can't honestly be criticizing Arabs for fighting western imperialism in the form of "Israel" and in turn using that to prove the hostility of Dar-al-Islam to Dar-al-Harb. Fkh82 20:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If someone can, check "The Lucifer Principle" by Howard Bloom. He has a discussion on this and references to more discussion on the subject --InfectiousAdm (also affects other subjects: dar al-Harb)

I think this article has been vandalized (compare December 2005 version to January 2006). World has the right to see Islam in its true light.

dar al-sulh[edit]

Can anyone clarify the status of dar al-sulh (House of Treaty)? I believe it was coined before Ottoman times, so may predate dar al-ahd. Any info?

86.133.23.227 13:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Divisions of the world in Islam[edit]

Moved the page to new title to encompass all the sub-divisions of the world in Islamic perspective.--CltFn 11:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article[edit]

  • "Classification of Lands in the Islamic Law and Its Technical Terms." A. N. Poliak. The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. 57, No. 1. (Jan., 1940), pp. 50-62.

That article is useful... also for talking about sulh. For anyone who has access. We also might want to change the name of this article to something more accepted. gren グレン 14:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are far too many specialized terms in this article with neither links or explanations. For a non-Arab speaking non-Muslim it is virtually impossible to understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.162.67.183 (talk) 18:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wtf?[edit]

Why does this article not make clear that it's talking about the days of the caliphates, not modern Islam? It seems to imply that Islamic governments are officially at war with the entire rest of the world. Is this a 1911 Britannica copy-paste, or something? <eleland/talkedits> 21:36, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article has no basis for Muslims. This is written within a modern political context, with an Orientalist Western perspective on Islam. This article is not objective at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.201.188 (talk) 08:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign Source[edit]

Hi people, I'm planning on making a few changes in this article. Would it be OK if I used a German Source? It's a book by Yasar Nuri Ozturk. --يس (talk) 13:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take the silence as a "yes"... --يس (talk) 14:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dar al-Islam[edit]

I have edited the mistakes made in the paragraph:

  • First of all, Dar al-Islam literally means "House/Abode of Islam; Dar as-Salam means "House/Abode of Peace".
  • Secondly, the term Dar al-Islam does not appear in the narrations of the prophet at all.[1][2][3][4] The cited narration does not include that term and also does not have a reference - just like the other citation. That's why I have removed both of them.
  • The two requirements for a country to be part of the Dar al-Islam are according to the founder of this concept, Abu Hanifa, the following two:[1]
  1. The Muslims must be able to enjoy peace and security with and within this country.
  2. It has common frontiers with some Muslim countries.
  • The following sentence also does not have any reference: "Some modern Muslim scholars maintain that the labeling of a country or place as dar al-Islam or dar al-harb revolves around the question of religious security. This means that if a Muslim practices Islam freely in his place of abode, then he will be considered as living in a dar al-Islam, even if he happens to live in a secular or non-Islamic country. Traditional definitions tend to focus on which religion holds ultimate authority." It is obvious, that it is from here, so I cited it correctly.
  • I also added the following:
Today, most Islamic scholars agree upon a classification into three. These three categories are:[1]
  1. Dar Al-Islam: The abode of Islam; the Muslim nation.
  2. Dar Al-Harb: The abode of war; those that have declared war against the Muslim nation.
  3. Dar Al-‘Ahd: The abode of covenant; the countries that have diplomatic agreements and covenants with Muslim nations.


  1. ^ a b c Ahmed Khalil: "Dar Al-Islam And Dar Al-Harb: Its Definition and Significance"
  2. ^ Yaşar Nuri Öztürk: Der verfälschte Islam, S.45 ff.
  3. ^ Monika und Udo Tworuschka: Islam Lexikon, S.94
  4. ^ Fatwa by Sheikh `Atiya Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, about the concept of Dar al-Harb and Dar al-Islam


--يس (talk) 15:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent points! I would like to see this article expanded beyond solely political divisions and incorporate historical concepts such as the seven climes and regions such as the Land of the Gog and Magog. A historical map illustrating such concepts would also be pertinent.Jemiljan (talk) 03:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dar al-Harb[edit]

In accordance to the edits made in dar al-Islam, I also edited this passage. --يس (talk) 15:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


This is really problematic, somehow one of the most problematic and dangerous ideas of "Dar-el Harb" does not explained here, with "miraculously" all the links explaining it also not working. Wikipedia is far from being objective here- this notion of "Dar el Harb" is one of the most clear explanations to many of the Muslims activity and fights around the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.156.199 (talk) 15:27, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section[edit]

This article badly needs a lead section to summarise (at least) what "divisions of the world" means in this context. I don't have the expertise to write one, so I've tagged instead. Also, I moved the text that was above the table of contents - such a disclaimer should be in a separate section, not prefacing the whole article. The section name I used ("Scriptural references") is probably entirely wrong for an Islam related article, but I'm going to plead ignorance on that one as well - please rename it to something more appropriate. Orpheus (talk) 17:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gomaa / Qardawi revisited[edit]

I previously removed the passages sourced to MEMRI about these two individuals. MEMRI itself isn't really a reliable source (neither is egypt-facts.org for that matter), and if it's citing another source then we should insert the original into the article. Another aspect is that these are two solitary opinions of the same skew, whereas there is little indication given as to the singificance or prevalence of this view, or the general view held by authorities as a whole. So there is an issue of potential undue weight being granted to one perspective. Qardawi and Gomma themselves aren't really big names in this field, you won't find them being cited in any academic discourse of the topic. On the basis of sourcing and balance, then, I intend to remove these two passages until reliable sources can be found which also assert the significance of these opinions in standard legal discourse. And I'm also re-removing the "Islamic" epithet, as the term is more a legal categorisation coined by jurists, as opposed to being coined by Islamic texts themselves. Regards, ITAQALLAH 23:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Abu Hanifa and origin[edit]

Does anyone have any reliable secondary source attributing the origin of the term to Abu Hanifa? -- Raziman T V's Alternate account (Talk - Contribs) 14:48, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing[edit]

This is an awfully long and significant article for only five sources. Can somebody dig up some more? MezzoMezzo (talk) 09:07, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dar ul Harb[edit]

I am removing the line `Dar ul Harb is a "house" or "abode" of war because this is a land of potential conquest, whose denizens are not to be allowed to live in peace until they submit to Islamic law and by implication embrace Islamic peace.` This line has no credeble reference is is taken directly taken from site which is full of bigotry and anti-Islamic articles.

Arabic words are either masculine or feminine ...[edit]

... does anybody know whether dār [دار] is masculine / feminine? --79.251.122.24 (talk) 02:28, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wiktionary is your friend. (Apparently it was originally feminine in Classical Arabic but has evolved to take masculine usage…?) —Wiki Wikardo 18:48, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Dar al-Kufr - House of Unbelief?[edit]

In Kwame Appiah's book The Lies That Bind he refers to the traditional division being into Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Kufr, the latter being the House of Unbelief. He makes no mention of Dar al-Harb. Does anyone know anything about Da al-Kufr? Is it an old concept with more legitmate claim to being the name for non-Muslim lands than Dar al-Harb, or is this a fringe idea? If its known but a minority interpretation, it could be included. If its totally fringe then it should not. He cites a book called War and Peace in the Law of Islam by Majid Khadduri, however when I check the reference on page 52 of that book on Google Books, it mentions Dar al-Harb and makes no mentioin of Dar al-Kufr! LastDodo (talk) 10:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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