Talk:Gary Gordon

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I'd say it was a "C" at best[edit]

I've addressed this same issue on the page for Randall Shughart. And since this article has the same problems, I restate it:

The Biography section is not a biography, but rather a rehash, practically verbatim, of the events leading up to Shughart's death as published here.[1] While the information on that site is in the public domain, and should be included here somehow, a proper biography still should be here.

As for the Medal of Honor citation section, it's a mess, repeating almost word-for-word what was cut and pasted above. That's just stupidity or laziness, or both. Alcarillo 17:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Agreed, to be honest. I noticed the inaccuracies and contradictions when reading both. Lh'owon 09:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I edited down the account of the battle in order to highlight the essentials. I also removed entirely the verbatim cut-and-paste of the MOH citation. This article could definitely use more biographical info pre-Mogadishu, specifically his early life and entire army career leading up to his assignment with Task Force Ranger. Alcarillo 15:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why?[edit]

Would anyone like to tell me why this man deserves a page on Wikipedia? what have he ever done? He died in combat. sucks but thats war. He died an so does a lot of people each day but they don't get a page. so please tell me why or I'll delete it. --Andersbmeister (talk) 21:30, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Andersbmeister you're a POS...What do you know about war? You're just a sheltered idiot with no life.... Signed Pissed Off War VET —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.109.128 (talk) 06:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Gordon was more than just a soldier, he was a war hero. The story of his last stand was in two book, a movie, and a history channel documentary, so he earned this page.

I'll restate my response to the similar nonsense (by the same author) posted on Mr. Shughart's article...The idea that a Congressional Medal of Honor winner is not noteworthy is unequivocally absurd. Furthermore, the actions of Mr. [Gordon] connect in a significant manner with broad military and government policies of the United States of America and play significantly into the debate regarding interventionist policies and necessary force protection levels. These are broad, far-reaching and powerful political and military discussions within which the actions of Mr [Gordon] are much more than a minor footnote. Any attempt to parallel a detailing of Mr. [Gordon]'s backstory and actions on October 3, 1993 with "a beautiful page for my deceased great grandmother" is intellectually indefensible. The only legitimate argument for deleting this page is the policy of non-recognition/discussion/etc for "Delta Force". However, Mr. [Gordon]'s citation for the Congressional Medal of Honor is publicly available. Long story short, any attempt to delete this article for any reason, other than adhering to a potential wikipedia policy of never identifying US SOFD-D operators, will be unsuccessful. - Gwopy 00:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwopy (talk • contribs)

Other teammate[edit]

As I sated in the Shughart discussion, there was a third member of Gordon's sniper team. Sergeant First Class Brad Hallings.

Page 178 of Bowden's book lists the team members, and page 197 explains that Hallings took control of a mini gun on the Blackhawk after a crew chief was injured and was not inserted. Jslowik 02:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hallings had a broad yellow stripe down his back, and refused to go into combat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.141.22.53 (talk) 09:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Too the post on 5 August 2009, I suggest your read the book. Hallings was NEEDED (ordered to stay) on the chopper and almost lost his leg —Preceding unsigned comment added by MedicPCP (talk • contribs) 03:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He did lose a leg but later rejoined his unit after getting a fake leg. I think it said that in the book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.7.143 (talk) 17:39, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MoH Citation[edit]

Bowden's book, and Durant's book both said that Gary died first and Randy brought back Gary's gun to Durant. So the MoH citation is completely opposite of what really happened.

Corroboration that Gordon was killed or taken out of the fight first seems pretty reasonable. Bowden cites several things to support his theory: the fact that Delta operator Paul Howe heard Shughart calling for backup last; the fact that Durrant states that he remembers seeing the Delta operator who handed him the CAR-15 at previous briefings for the Nightstalker teams and Paul Howe stated that Shughart had been the Delta operator who attended those meetings; the fact that Durrant was handed a weapon that was not an M-14 (the weapon that Shughart used). I'm working on Mr. Shughart's article right now and am attempting to resolve citation and detailing of the same issues there. I will posed the solution used on Mr. Shughart's page here once I've updated it there. That said, I believe that this "controversy" should be presented matter-of-factly and shortly, as it is tangential (though I'm sure highly personal to the families) to the actions of both men. The essence of their actions are two-fold: one, that It is almost beyond debate that Mike Durrant would have been killed, had Gordon and Shughart not been inserted. - Gwopy 01:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwopy (talk • contribs)

It may well be that there are discrepencies in the actual facts surrounding his death and what was actually stated in the MOH citation, but the citation is essentially a quote. --Kumioko (talk) 05:22, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also named for Gary gordon[edit]

At Ft. Polk, Joint Readyness Training Center.

The Military Operations on Urbanized Terrain (MOUT) complex at Fort Polk, LA is 8km x 7km box within the Joint Readiness Training Center's (JRTC) Maneuver Area consisting of a series of villages and tactical objective sites. The centerpiece is a town called Shughart-Gordon. Shughart-Gordon is a twenty-nine (29) building enclave replicating a third world town. In addition there is an eight (8) building airfield named Self Airfield, and a five (5) building mock military installation named Word Military Compound.

Every soldier who trains at JRTC comes in contact with this town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.81.77.130 (talk) 16:10, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

An IP address user changed ever instance of his name from Gordon to Gorgen. Based on supporting references that universally agree his name is spelled Gordon, I reverted the edit. Maybe they were going for gorgon and spelled it wrong? Robert Bin Peters (talk) 00:22, 21 November 2011 (UTC)Robert Bin Peters[reply]

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"Controversy and confusion"[edit]

I think we should remove this subheading. Compare with Randy Shughart to see how we handle it there. There isn't actually any controversy here, as there might be in some cases. Admittedly, there was (is?) some confusion or uncertainty about the exact order of death, but that would only be a "controversy" with some kind of added elements.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:21, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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