Talk:Vere Ponsonby, 9th Earl of Bessborough

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This is one of the most well written, well linked (internally only) articles I've seen on Wikipedia. Congratulations to the author(s). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 00:18, 2 June 2004 UTC (talk • contribs) 141.168.104.19

Anglo-Irish[edit]

Why, in the first sentence, do we call him "Anglo-Irish" when we write that he was born and raised in England and cite no sources for this statement ? BushelCandle (talk) 05:37, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know; it was added by Mabelina, who makes all sorts of inexplicable edits. It should probably just go back to "British". --₪ MIESIANIACAL 16:58, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Croix de Chevalier[edit]

A remark was made at my talk about the information on Bessborough's Croix de Chevalier being incorrect, it not being a decoration. The source lists the honour for Bessborough under the heading 'Decorations and Medals presented by the President of the French Republic'. I hope no one is going to start arguing the Gazette is wrong. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 23:44, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is the Croix de Chevalier (one l) is a rank of the Legion d'Honneur, so it is perfectly acceptable to list his awards as "Croix de Chevalier, Legion d'Honneur" in the same way as we say "Member, Third Class with Swords of the Order of St. Anna". The "Croix de Chevalier" portion equals the "Member, Third Class with Swords" portion. Rather like being a "Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire" or an "Officer of the Order of the British Empire". I would go so far as to suggest that it is actually necessary to stipulate which rank of the Legion an individual has joined, so I support the inclusion of "Croix de Chevalier" as it is listed at the moment. Frinton100 (talk) 23:58, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yet, the article on the Legion of Honour doesn't include "Croix de Chevalier" anywhere except in an image caption and there it says "Notice of posthumous award [emphasis mine] of the 'Croix de Chevalier' to lieutenant Tessier." Also, we have to rely on sources and the only one we have, so far, designates the Croix de Chevalier as a decoration (or medal). Orders can have medals/decorations. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 00:02, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it just the rank of "Chevalier"? A "Chevalier" is given the "Croix de Chevalier"? Frinton100 (talk) 00:06, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The french wikipedia article is a bit more helpful here - [1] Frinton100 (talk) 00:10, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, French orders are not something I'm knowledgeable about. I was merely going by the source. But, I find it difficult to believe the Gazette is incorrect; it misplaced the honour under the wrong header. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 00:17, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think the way User:Mabelina has added this in the text "appointed Chevalier of the Legion of Honour (France)" is perfectly acceptable; as is the way it is listed as "Croix de..." in his list of awards, so I'd suggest leaving both. It goes without saying that I do not support the hyphenation of GG, or the over-linking which I will now be dealing with. Frinton100 (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, "Chevalier" alone and, again, "appointed" goes against what's seen in the Gazette. There its "Croix de Chevalier" (Knight's Cross) and is shown as a decoration. One can't be appointed to a decoration. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 06:05, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My reading of it is that you are appointed a Knight and awarded a Knight's Cross. Frinton100 (talk) 15:20, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Expand article?[edit]

This seems like a pretty comprehensive article. I am changing its status from Stub, which it is definitely not, but I am not sure if its C class or maybe B class. And I am afraid I cant really tell where this article falls on the "importance" scale, which is so subjective. SaturnsRings27 (talk) 10:06, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Accession to Peerage[edit]

After the death of his father on 1 December 1920, he succeeded to the Irish earldom of Bessborough, requiring him to resign his seat in the House of Commons and enter the House of Lords.[6] On 17 December, he applied to be Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Three Hundreds of Chiltern.

This part doesn't look right to me - peerages of Ireland did not confer an automatic seat in the UK House of Lords, rather that it would have been his subsidiary title Baron Ponsonby of Sysonby in the Peerage of Great Britain that kicked him upstairs. I'm also a little confused as to why he would have to take the Chiltern Hundreds if he was already disqualified from the Commons.

Robin S. Taylor (talk) 23:23, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]