Talk:Idomeneo

A fact from Idomeneo appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 April 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's opera seria Idomeneo is set on the island of Crete following the Trojan War?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2004/April.

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References and external links[edit]

References and external links: Plot taken from The Metropolitan Opera

Um, would that make it a copyright infringement? --Camembert

Noted arias[edit]

Can this be changed? The most innovative numbers in Idomeneo are not the arias at all, but the choruses, quintets, and so on. I'd be happy to do the change and put a couple of the more significant ones in myself, if everyone else agrees. Safebreaker (talk) 11:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

@Safebreaker: Nine years later - I agree! This should be changed to a list of major numbers, with a column classifying them as Aria, Duo, Quartet etc and Chorus. At least two of the choruses are both innovative, and well known because of it: Placido è il mar, and O voto tremendo! Brymor (talk) 20:05, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Orchestration[edit]

Could someone tell me what instruments Mozart used for this opera? And how many types of horns? In B flat, in G, in E?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.138.66 (talk) 16:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

Can anyone provide an English translation of the title? Babelfish yields: Clay Idomeneo, king that is Ilia and Idamante, which is a pretty rough translation. — Loadmaster 16:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The full title in English is Idomeneo, King of Crete, or Ilia and Idamante.

Normally, "creta" means clay or chalk, but it also means Crete.

could we assume something like 'King Idomeneo of Crete' as the title then?mpearse 11:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plot[edit]

Does anyone know if the plot is similar or the same as Andre Campra's Idomenee? --FeanorStar7 13:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I could expand on this one, if people are interested. Safebreaker (talk) 11:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

clarify[edit]

"The "Idomeneo" production, directed by Hans Neuenfels, shows King Idomeneo staggering on stage carrying the decapitated heads of Poseidon, Jesus, Buddha and Muhammad." - should we stress that these heads are there due to a CONTEMPORARY interpretation by controversial German director Hans Neuenfels, and is not part of the original Mozart's Idomeneo. Anchorite 20:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC) (signing my comment later)[reply]

Naming conventions[edit]

Can anyone enlighten me as to Wikipedia naming policy? I think we ought to decide whether we're going to use the English names (as is the case for "Electra") or the Italian ones (as is the case for "Idomeneo"), but not both. Safebreaker (talk) 14:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2006[edit]

The 2006 controversy should have its own page. It is a rather specialized topic, which probably has more to do with a particular staging than Mozart's opera.--345Kai 02:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How common is it for a classic opera (particularly one written by the likes of Mozart) to have things added (or removed, but I'd imagine that is much more common) based on the desires of the current director? Does the scene with the King laughing at the heads of the holy figures tie into the story somehow? --Rencheple 17:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

it does appear as a cheap publicity stunt of the director. He must have known he'd make headlines with this after all the cartoon madness, whatever happened to try getting attention by doing a great performance? Anyway, per Wikipedia:Recentism, detailed discussion of the incident either belongs on wikisource, or do a separate Deutsche Oper 2006 Idomeneo scandal article. dab (ᛏ) 09:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not only the above, but also footnote 6 states that the Reuters article mentions Muslim leaders as saying the opera should not be canceled. No where in the Reuters article are Muslim leaders quoted as saying that.

I've just added an item about the successful restaging of this opera a few days ago, and cannot add the english Jazeera article link without messing up the previous sequencing. Appreciate any help...thx.--Kamalesh9 19:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have any idea if he presented any reasonable justification for adding the scene? As far as I can tell, he hates organized religion. Does he have a justifiable reason for putting it into the play...does it at all fit into the plot? Apparently, all I heard was that he said something about artistic freedom. Well...I don't see any justification of said expression anywhere. Is this information available anywhere?

I think this goes here unless the controversy section begins to dominate the article. An article on Macbeth would not be complete unless it included the superstissions associated with it. Incedentally, I can't find any weasel words in the section. Did someone mean to tag it for WP:NPOV or were they just changed and the template didn't get deleted? --Selket ^Talk 17:49, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

[1], [2] Without the "threat" the Media ignore it....--Biontenagent2008 15:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could we please lose the references to a single production, and free up some space which will hopefully (hee hee!) be filled with talk of the various versions of Idomeneo: the Munich, the Prague, and the Vienna (each of them quite different)! Safebreaker (talk) 20:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a reason to not include it. It could perhaps be reduced in size, but I fail to see how the status quo precludes discussing the various stagings you mentioned. Carl.bunderson (talk) 03:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy article[edit]

New page created for the controversy at Idomeneo_(controversy).Safebreaker (talk) 18:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Wrong labelling of the illustrating of the Libretto[edit]

The illustration here shows clearly the first version of the libretto, NOT the actual 2nd version wich was printed for the first night, cf. "Mozart Operas in Facsimile" vol.I, pp 44/55 & 75/76 and relating introduction in NMA vol. 26 (or II/5/11/1) p. XIII, 2nd coln.Nolispy (talk) 15:42, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]