Talk:Coptic calendar

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A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on September 11, 2005, September 11, 2006, September 12, 2007, September 11, 2008, September 11, 2009, September 11, 2010, and September 12, 2011.

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Discussion[edit]

Googling suggests that Ano Martyrum (7) -> Anno Martyrum (26). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.158.106.57 (talk) 07:08, 2003 March 26 (UTC)

1900 was not a leap year in our usual system. Shouldn't the entry have 1901 for 1900 throughout? PML. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.202.5.75 (talk) 01:57, 2003 April 17 (UTC)

1900 should stay as such whenever it refers to a Coptic new year date, because the new year occurs in September, which is after the missing leap day. --- Karl

Too Much Focus on Religion[edit]

This article is strictly focused on the religious aspect of the calendar when it should also focus on the role of the calendar in connection with the agricultural year. Many Egyptians, even Muslim, still think of the year in terms of this calendar with regards to weather and agricultural activities. It is not just a liturgical calendar and more people use it for other purposes than use it for liturgical ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.232.148.28 (talk) 06:28, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

August 29 or September 11[edit]

The article seems to contradict itself about the new year. Does it start August 29 or Sept. 11? Tmangray 05:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Both. It always starts August 29 (or 30) in the Julian calendar, and it starts September 11 (or 12) in the Gregorian calendar, but only between the years 1900 and 2099. The question is how to word that so that those who are not familiar with the Julian calendar (used by all European countries before 1582) don't get confused. — Joe Kress 19:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Who uses the coptic calendar?[edit]

Does anyone know who uses the coptic calendar? I overheard a bunch of people wishing each other Happy New Year on 9/11 and wondered if they were referring to a different calendar (hence me search on Wikipedia) or if they were referring to the 9/11 attacks 5 years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.95.198 (talk • contribs)

The first sentence of the article answers your first question—it is used by the Coptic Orthodox Church. Read that article for more info. However, two calendars begin their year on 9/11, the Coptic calendar and the Ethiopian calendar. The latter is used by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church as well as the entire country of Ethiopia. Tout 1 is New Year's day of the Coptic calendar whereas Masakaram 1 is New Year's Day of the Ethiopian calendar. These dates are on September 11 only in years preceding Gregorian common years. September 11, 2006 does indeed precede the common year of 2007. Before Gregorian leap years, their new year is September 12. Both Gregorian dates only apply between 1900 and 2099. — Joe Kress 18:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Year 1725?[edit]

How come the copts calculate we are in year 1725? (according to calendar converter at funaba.org [1]) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xact (talk • contribs) 22:03, 18 January 2009

The Coptic era is also called the Era of Martyrs, whose first year is the year that Diocletian became Roman emperor. He killed or martyred many early Christians. — Joe Kress (talk) 17:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Needs astronomical content in this article[edit]

Sorry to say this. This article sounds like how the Coptic calendar is based on Egyptian seasons. Komitsuki (talk) 18:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Calendar creep[edit]

What do you mean by "calendar creep?" Is it a slow drift because the year is not 365.2425 days, as in the Gregorian calendar? Tony (talk) 23:43, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Although I didn't write that phrase, it refers to wandering nature of the ancient Egyptian calendar, which had 365 days per year without any leap days. Because the tropical year is about 365.2422 days long, the extra 0.2422 days caused dates in the ancient Egyptian calendar to shift or "creep" about one day every four years relative to any seasonal cue. This lead to the notion of the Sothic cycle, 1456–1460 years, depending on who's calculating the heliacal rising of Sirius (Sothis or Sopdet). The addition of a sixth epagomenal day every four years by the Roman Emperor Augustus in 25 BC stopped this wander or creep, converting it into a reasonably small error. The standard calendrical term is "wander", not "creep". — Joe Kress (talk) 19:05, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, but "calendar creep" flows better than "calendar wander." It should be explained in the text, though, that the Egyptian calendar had only years with 365 days, because otherwise the said "calendar creep is without context. I shall make an edit to add this information. Firejuggler86 (talk) 10:24, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

...deith...[edit]

I know very little about Coptic or deities, but noticed this (I guess) typo while reading, approximately halfway down the page, in ...to celebrate the deith Sol Invictus... Considering that Sol Invictus may be as much a concept as a particular deity, would anyone object, or would some expert, change this to ...to celebrate Sol Invictus... keeping the link code intactDarrylh08 (talk) 18:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)Darrylh08[reply]

Because the sentence mentions Aurelian who did deify Sol Invictis, I think "deity" is warranted here. However, doubt exists whether a holiday was ever celebrated on December 25 for Sol Invictus accrding to Sol Invictus#Aurelian. — Joe Kress (talk) 06:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Validation of Luke[edit]

The weather patterns of Palestine makes it quite unlikely that Shepards were tending their flocks by night in December. Please do not enter statements that assert alternative weather patterns without some verification. Macrhino (talk) 09:48, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that shepherds in the Middle East don't tend flocks at night in December is factually incorrect. Please do not make statements that assert the activity patterns of other cultural groups without some verification. 116.212.225.50 (talk) 05:42, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

Links 3 and 4 are defunct. Better to remove them Pamour (talk) 12:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've corrected those links and removed a problem link. — Joe Kress (talk) 07:59, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Julian Calendar[edit]

As the Julian Calendar is historically based upon the Coptic Calendar, it ought to be included in the table as it is more academically relevant than the Gregorian Calendar. 116.212.225.50 (talk) 05:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Tn. Läkatit)[edit]

What does "Tn. Läkatit" stands for? What is its meaning? Metron (talk) 10:15, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Revert Edit[edit]

Someone deleted a lot of information, i think it should be reverted 50.34.47.181 (talk) 03:06, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Corrections" in notes[edit]

In the section Date of Christmas, this article currently contains two endnotes that purport to correct the (translated) quotations preceding them. (They were added inline by an anonymous editor back in March 2022, and then turned into notes by ILoveHirasawaYui in September.) Obviously we shouldn't have arguments over material within the article itself! Can someone who knows about the texts being quoted (Hippolytus and Theophilus) please take a look? -- Perey (talk) 11:44, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]