Talk:Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game

lets make this a ga/fa

i think we should make the push to make this a fa/ga —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firl21 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Is this a good place to put in the official rules? An original piece, not copied from the Namco Official Rule Book?

Generally, no, as there is a tendency for them to grow over time, and they can never be complete. I would say that a basic definition of the card types, special terms unique to this game, and turn structure would be about all you need. What we can't do is re-post the official rules using the exact wording. If you keep it high-level, you should be fine. I've re-organized the headings, so you can probably work on the Game play section.

By the way, welcome to Wikipedia, hope you'll decide to create an account. -- Netoholic @ 14:25, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

What if someone just put a link to the official rules (specific card rulings, list of erratas/corrections, and forbidden/limited cards) somewhere on the page? That way we'd not be taking copyrighted information, the link would be quite relevent, and there would be little (if any) advertisements. --Smokeresearcher 08:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

um bad links cause ude nolonger has site controlFirl21 (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Difficulty

Does anyone else think this game is more complicated than "moderate" and its rule complexity is tougher than "low"? I can't count how many kids I see confused, almost to the point of tears, because they don't understand the rules or why they are getting beat. I've reverted a bunch of weasel words and vandalism lately and would rather not chance the 3-revert rule right now. I admit, the strategies are getting a little lesser for most upper-level decks due to conformity, but if you are in the game for something other than money and have decent experience, then you've probably built some interesting and very strategic decks (at least I have). The rules are anything but complicated. Also, the IP (67.162.131.120) who edited this changed Magic's complexity to "high". Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic are fairly similar and hardly that far appart in difficulty (by perspective, one may be harder for someone, but not a polar opposite). --Smokeresearcher 07:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It's supossed to be High and High from what I remember; someone just edited it to moderate and nobody noticed. I changed it back to High and High, since anymore every card has 20 rulings tied to it. It's just some annoying people trying to make themselves feel better by belitting others. Kalajin 01:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I certainly noticed (right about when it happened), but to someone who doesn't understand the game it's not an obvious case of vandalism. That IP has been focusing on TCGs and at around the same time changed Magic's difficulty in the opposite direction (I'm guessing a Magic player who doesn't like Yu-Gi-Oh much more than the recent vandals). I didn't want to chance getting kicked off (there have been a lot of edit wars lately with people reverting vandalism in pages I'm watching), so I posted it here. Thanks. --Smokeresearcher 04:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I may be a little biased because I play Magic, but Yu-Gi-Oh certainly seems complex to me. Although many situations are taken care of in the rule book, some of them require "common sense" that has no place in card games with so many combinations. For example, an attacker dealing no damage is considered have not even attacked for card effects. You end up having to get familiar with specific rulings just to understand how cards work (not a lot, but enough to be annoying). I've been a judge of complex games, and just because the cards' effects are verbose doesn't make it simple. Ok, done with rant. -- Organous 14:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

• As a Yu-Gi-Oh judge, I actually agree with the above poster that it is in fact a very complicated game. Unfortunately, Konami don't translate their cards all that clearly, often leading to cards whose effects are not entirely clear. UDE are making headway into making this a less common practice, but there are still a number of difficulties regarding cards with ambiguous text. Yes, the game is pretty simple to pick up at a very basic level, but you would have a hard time teaching a 9-year-old how to use (for example) a Diamond Dude Turbo deck.

Say you'd have a hard time teaching a 9 year old??? Don't you mean 7? I've seen weekly tournament winners that were 8. But a turbo deck, then yes, you're right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.192.65.63 (talk) 22:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind, the Yugioh OCG is aimed at a teenage demographic which is why the game is so hard to play. 2600:1700:EF71:31F0:D179:E6C:85BD:C77A (talk) 14:38, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Me and my friends began playing when we were 6. Yes, there is a learning curve but you usually get the hang of it after a few games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.126.209.6 (talk) 01:54, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Common Terminology

This is very out of place, and takes up about 20% of the entire article. I suggest either having a link to it's own seperate place, or possibly finding a Card Game terminology article, and plopping it there. --141.151.14.3 16:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The same thing could probably be said about the whole article. It's really bloated and jumbled; someone needs to spend a whole day re-vamping it. (That will probably include about 4 or 5 different pages being split off to keep the file size down.)

And, quoting Neoholic from 8 Sep 2004,

By the way, welcome to Wikipedia, hope you'll decide to create an account. Kalajin 17:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I've suggested (see Common Terminology) to move that section to place in a new page, due to the fact that it makes the whole article lengthy. Before it is moved, I'd like to ask you guys if it is agreed upon. Please respond ASAP. DiamondDragon 23:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I really don't have anything against it. It'd probably keep clutter down. Go ahead, if you want. Kalajin 00:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Now moved Common Terminology section. Please notfify of any problems. DiamondDragon 23:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Suggested deletion

I removed the link to the article, Starter Deck - Special Edition: Duel Master's Guide. Said article should be deleted, as none of the other starter/structure decks have (or need) an article. --TheRockBoS 11:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how to vote, but I agree that the article should be delete. We should not put "card list" with effect. Plus, the infos are copy and paste from somewhere else anyway. Baron 17:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Poor writing in some sections

There has been a slew of people who use poor spelling and grammer when putting up new information; the terms/decks sections in particular. I've marked the article for cleanup until this is dealt with. --TheRockBoS 12:54, 08 March 2006

Well, it's impossible to stop some 12-15 yos to put things on there that don't make any sense (And have absolutely no grammar). Not to mention, the "glossary" (Which I already clean up a little bit by listing them alphabetically) has some terms that're either non-worthy to be on there or is just redundant. --Ion475 04:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to copy and paste the text into my Microsoft Word for spell check, then correct any errors. DiamondDragon 02:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Problems with people posting completely unconfirmed information / Japanese sets information

Well, I just deleted the section for SD9 due to it being an absolutely NONCONFIRM information (No official info, all "information" are pure rumor, no source, etc.)

Also, I notice on 90% of the Japanese set that people are purely copying translation from various translation site (i.e. DMComet) and are not in "wiki format" at all - what exactly should be done to those?? --Ion475 06:10, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I edited the strategy to High from the original "Medium". This is a game that can takes hours or days to build a good deck. I believe strategy is the msot important aspect of the game. ~Ice_cold_blizzard

A tournament deck, yeah. But a normal deck..? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.192.65.63 (talk) 22:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

How detailed should we go?

I added the further description of the Monster, Magic, and Trap cards, but just how far should we go? Should I also add in for instance the types of effect monsters or whatever? Seeing how above you said we shouldn't copy from the rulebook, how much detail can we have until it is considered copying from the rulebook? (Unsigned)

Should we perhaps have a "Yu-Gi-Oh in brief" section that would include just the basics of gameplay? I think we could use a section like this for important gameplay aspects without any specific exceptions. Then there might be more room for detail elsewhere in the article. 216.238.204.109 19:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

A parody

I just noticed that this section from the Champions of Kamigawa Magic set article tells that the Yu-Gi-Oh! card game was based off a parody from Magic: The Gathering seen in the manga. Is that true? It doesn't sound very right to me. And if it is, I think the word "parody" wouldn't work well there, unless the intention of the author was really to make a parody out of that creation. Also, that same section says that a big objection was that the "Japanese setting has been 'done to death'", by games such as Yu-Gi. Not only that alone sounds weird to me, but also... I never thought that genre was overdone. What is overdone, specially in Magic, are European themes. Norse and Greek mythology. "European fantasy", if I might say that. Until some time ago, that is all Magic was ever based on, with the exception of stuff like that Arabian Nights expansion. As for Yu-Gi-Oh, I never saw many monsters themed after the Japanese folklore. There are some cards like that, but not enough to make things "done to death". Even less in Pokémon.

Looks like this post is more of a rant than a remark about something from an article, but any opinions on this would be appreciated. Thank you.--Kaonashi 04:16, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

I think Magic & Wizards was the neame of the game that Yuugi and Seto originally played in the Manga. The rules were a simplified version of M:tG, but the themes were different.
Also, the rules released in Japan with the Starter Box were effectively a simplified version of M:tG --BBM 22:43, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

• According to Kazuki, the name Magic & Wizard DOES come from Magic: The Gathering (I think this is stated on Yu-Gi-Oh page) --129.116.25.159 02:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, the rules released in Japan with the Starter Box were effectively a simplified version of M:tG

• Is there any information on these rules? A translated version, perhaps? Or is it just referring to the similarities between Duel Monsters and M:tG?

Magic/Spell Lawsuit

Should this page mention in the section under Spell Cards the fact that they were called Magic cards until Wizards threatened to use legal action against Konami? I don't think I've seen it anywhere else on Wikipedia, or anything... a link to it would be appropriate.

Yes, of course. Any proof? Riddle | Talk 01:32, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

This so-called lawsuit is merely a myth; there is not sufficient evidence to prove there was ever a lawsuit, or even a threat of one by Wizards of the Coast. Kenjiblade 24:10, 9 November 2005

• Sorry for the late reply but. From what I remember on the website they said they changed it to Spells for story reasons and something else, but not sure what though. Greyhead 21:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

• Someone again add the "lawsuit" thing back onto the page (and of course, deleted by me). Although the reason is still unknown, I'm 100% sure that the change is not result of a lawsuit.Baron 17:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

• The story goes that there was an advertsiment on TV for a Yu-Gi-Oh tournament where it said that you could use "your Magic cards". According to the myth, some M:TG plaers turned up, and got angry.

When I got my first Deck (a bunch of lame cards no longer wanted by my friends) I was confused about why some were labeled Magic and others Spell. Was there different rules for playing them? Were Spell cards allowed in tournaments and not Magic cards? After a while I just accepted them as one.

Merging Volumes

User:Tabor suggested that Volume 2 be merged with the main Yu-Gi-Oh! Article. I don't think it's necessary (or a good idea), because ¹this article is already 36 KB, and ²if it were a good idea to merge Volume 2 into this article, then what's the reason not to merge all of the booster pack lists into this article? --BBM 23:19, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Deck-bundled Official Rulebooks

I have a Version 2.0 Rulebook bundled with Starter Deck Yugi and a Version 5.0 Rulebook bundled with Structure Deck Warrior's Triumph. Was there a 1.0 English rulebook? The boxes both feature Konami promenently and so do most materials, though on the back of both boxes Upper Deck is mentioned. The 2.0 Rulebook says on the back that Pat 5,662,332 is used under license from Wizards of the Coast. It also uses Magic as the term for the cards. 5.0 uses Spells. In 2.0, while the phrase "Trading Card Game is used on the front and in the Foreward, throughout the rulebook the game is just referred to as Yu-Gi-Oh!, but in 5.0 the phrase "Trading Card Game" is used throughout. The mat included with SDY says "Magic", the mat included with SDWT says "Spell" Hackwrench 19:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

• This reply might be a little late but here's a run down of the rule book versions. Version 1 was bundled with the first starter decks and version 2 was bundled in later printings of the first two decks. Version 3 was placed into the Joey and Pegasus decks but mostly just changed the pictures of cards in rule book and had Joey on the cover. Verion 4 was bundeled with the Evolution decks and mainly changed pictures again. Version 5 is the most current version that is bundled with all Structure Decks so far and has nobody on the cover. Greyhead 17:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yu-Gi-Oh! card lists

Just wanted to point out this proposal. Please make your voice be heard! I proposed putting it off, pending the AfD reform proposal outcome. Hackwrench 21:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Article WAY too long??

Well, it seems like, no matter what, the article is being WAY too long.--Ion475 22:39, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

• Maybe we should put the cards sets on a seperate page? Including the decks. Greyhead 06:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• I agree with Greyhead. This article is way too long, and the set list are the #1 problem. Baron 03:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Well then may i add something.THIS ARTICLE TELLS NOTHING ON THE SPECIAL EDITIONS!Its possible we could make it into sections like 2005 Atlantic hurricane season.I'll create a Special Edition section.HurricaneCraze32 22:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

• I went ahead split the card sets onto the article Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game sets but it needs some work and I was wondering whether we should place the decks into the article? Greyhead 17:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

We should rework the Set sub-page before adding the decks into the article. In addition, I feel that the countries should have separate page since it's a LONG list. Baron 03:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Infobox Infos, Rules

1. I have a question on the infobox...is this game REALLY 6 and up? 2. Should the "Game Play" section be shorten (not to put the whole rulebook on here)? Baron 03:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

That's a grey area – the target audience is six-year-olds, but the average six-year-old isn't smart enough to read the rule book and figure it out for themself - they need someone to teach them, and even when they are taught, they suck at it. I personally think that the age-appropriateness of a game is incredibly subjective and, and even if it was objectively measured, it's subject to change from individual-to-individual anyway; I really don't think Wikipeedia should attempt to make those judgement calls. 2birds1stone (talk) 05:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Countries

Personally I think that the "Countries" section is completly irrelevant to the article and would be an easy cull..

Please sign your posts with four tildes. Legendotphoenix 10:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Structure Decks

I have noticed that the structure deck list shows some structure decks that have not been released yet. How do you know about the future ones? I saw one website with a brief description of the machine structure deck (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com), but I do not know of any others. Nate 17:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Notable Players

The names of some of the people in the "Notable Players" section do not have pages for them. The links are red. Please fix that, either by creating their own pages, or by removing the links. Nate 23:33, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The problem with the notable players section is that is is a very subjective matter: is there an arbitrary way of separating the notable for the normal? The other problem is that creating them each an article is that there is very little to say about each one: it would mostly be "so-and-so won such-and-such a tornament. So-and-so enjoys playing such-and-such a deck...", and maybe a link to a press release regarding their win. As an occasional player of the TCG (like most who read this article, I would imagine) I don't really care who wins the World Championship (unless of course I know him, which I don't), and there are plenty of fan sites out there to have imformation like this on them. We therefore don't really need the section, but I'd like a consensus before it gets removed, to avoid replacement. Setokaiba^✌_≝ 10:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, the World Champion can be just kept on there as, well, they're World Champion. Otherwise, it's impossible to determine who is notable as no matter how "famous" one is, chances are, 90% of the people that play the game never heard of his name.--Ion 17:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

Someone could add pictures of the different attributes, fire, wind, earth, dark, light, and water. Nate 21:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Exodia Picture

Should we really use the Head of Exodia as an example picture for a card? I think we should follow suit of the M:tG and VS. articles and use the offical back of a card. Either that or the text describing the card needs to be changed. Looking at that gives the impression that the game is solely about gathering those 5 pieces and winning. I think using the back of a card would be more formal and suitable. Anyone else agree? Xiivi 07:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Exodia is not used much at all anyway. Nate | Talk ^Esperanza! 14:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I vote on a different card than actually showing the back; the back is just too dull to look at than see the front of a card. But I'm in agreement that Exodia shouldn't be the picture on the top. Glenn Browne 14:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I second that. Deltaneos 17:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you two are saying, however, if you look through the past you'll notice other cards have been used as the main picture. So it seems rather pointless to change it to yet another card, just for someone else to disagree and suggest a new card. So changing it wouldn't get us anywhere. Using the back would be more stable, not to mention it's universal for all Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Using a monster card doesn't apply to spells or traps, whilst the back is suitable to represent all three. Furthermore, using the back for card game articles in general would be a good trend to keep all wikipedia articles on the same page. That's my reasoning for suggesting the back of the card.Xiivi 03:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand your arguement too but Glenn's right, the back is too dull. Also it's not a great representation of the card game with the logos tucked away in the corners. They should be centered like the on the cover of the ruleook included in the structure decks. Deltaneos 20:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The back has no outstanding features, such as the Pokemon logo on the Pokemon TCG cards. And so what if someone may dislike the card choice to represent the article; as long as a majority of the people accept it, then it would be fine. As for what I would suggest, I truely have no idea... DiamondDragon 07:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

It should be Dark Magician, not only does it have notoriety as Yugi's favorite card, but it has three alternate artworks. Not every card even has one alternate. --Phred Levi 20:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

blue eyes white dragon ftw evryone knows it Firl21 (talk) 15:36, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

OCG Tin 2007

Should I take it down or add the other ones to it in a new OCG Tin section? First, it says TCG release unknown, when it WON'T come out in America. The Japanese tin is only one tin with an ultimate rare. Secondly, we hardly have any OCG stuff up on this page. Manjoume Thunder 22:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC) yes ther should be another card or a full exodia card because for one it is to hard to collect all the pieces and you should not change it to the back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.25.78 (talk) 20:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

It appears there's been some vandalism on this page. --64.230.123.89 00:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, especially in the "card edits" section where the featured cards in a list are not even real cards and link to random items like South Park and Camp Lalzo characters67.165.54.93 01:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone...

...Heard of this contest?--69.166.252.152

Please sign your posts with four tildes.

Anyways, what does this have to do with the TCG? The card might be in a future set, but that's about it Kalajin 04:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Well, someone told me about it. I beleive that the winner of the contest will get his/her entry published into a real card, get their card sent to them, and the card will be available in a 2007 booster. Now don't tell me this is lying.--69.166.252.152 01:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• The contest happaned, the cards were released in the set Gladiators Assault. Tongue Twister was one of them I believe. More info on this can be found on the Yugioh Wiki. --HungryJacks (talk) 00:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Reference Material?

this site has lots of pictures of card edits, do you think it can be used as a reference to the section on how cards are edited? --Phred Levi 19:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Average playing time

Can we get an actual time for how long a typical game takes? Surely everyone knows that game time would vary, as most games of all kinds have no set time limit. However, we can still use how long the average game takes. At the very least, we can use the time limit set for official tournaments. Organous 03:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

• Good call. I believe the recommended round (best of 3) time is 40 mins. The length of a duel can vary greatly between different deck archetypes, anything from 5 mins to an hour can be expected, but and average game time would probably be in the region of 10 mins, with about 30 mins for a match average Captain Carrot 10:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

• After a quick glance through Yugioh tournament policy , there is no offical time limit on Standard Yu-Gi-Oh tournament matches(Best of 3)However, Tournament Games normally have time limits of 30 to 40 minutes for the entire match , depending on time restraints by the organizer.*Lozmaster 22:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I have a friend who beats people in around 5 minutes so it can go below 10 minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiger23 (talk • contribs) 22:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Notable Players ordering

The list of notable players has been reordered, but I'm not sure that ordering them by region is necessarily the best way to go with it. Would it not be more sensible to list them alphabetically? Captain Carrot 10:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess so; I reordered them myself, but if you think it's needed, I'll reorder it again. By alphabetically, do you mean the first or last names? DiamondDragon contact 16:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

• I would think last name would be appropriate, first name would just look strange.Captain Carrot 09:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

More Vandalism

Here. --69.107.87.208 20:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand how the link you provided is vandalism. Perhaps you typed in the wrong link? Legendotphoenix 10:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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Yu-Gi-Oh! Online article

I just noticed the Yu-Gi-Oh! Online article was deleted (July 21). The reasons for deletion were

• 1) It failed WP:NOT. How? Can somebody explain what was wrong with the article?
• 2) It failed WP:WEB. Nonsense. Quoting WP:WEB, "The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself."

• GameSpot review
• GamerDad review
• GameZone review
• GameWatch news post (Japanese)
• Some other source (Japanese, I don't know Japanese...)

Also, "The content is distributed via a medium which is both respected and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine, an online publisher, or an online broadcaster": Yu-Gi-Oh! Online was first distributed with Weekly Shonen Jump in Japan.

Not only that, the result of the AfD discussion was merge. All I see on this page is a simple link to the YO website.

I think we should bring back the article.VDZ 17:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

• 1) I don't see it in WP:NOT either. I think it's supposed to be WP:NOTE instead: "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.
• 2) I believe it does fail WP:WEB. From your quote: "The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself." You've also forgotten another criteria: "The website or content has won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization." Gamerdad, Gamezone, Gamewatch, and monkaru.dip.jp don't seem to satisfy this criteria and severely hurt their reliability. I feel I'm wrong here though.

I think that it's mainly because it's not all that important for an article. I've barely heard of it, and I don't hear of others playing the game. Instead on using YO, they've preferred YVD. DiamondDragon DESU 22:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Quoting WP:WEB again, "The article itself must provide proof that its subject meets one of these criteria via inlined links or a "Reference" or "External link" section". It meets two, so it should be notable. Also, the "website or content" refers to Yu-Gi-Oh! Online, not the sources (that would be odd, since only 1 of the criteria is necessary).

There are a lot of YO players (at least there were when I played it), especially in Japan. The English and Japanese servers both had about 300-500 players on them at the same time. Add another 100-300 for other language servers, and you'll see that some people do play Yu-Gi-Oh! Online.VDZ

I see. To tell you the truth, I have no clue why that it was deleted. I have a small feeling that it's not suitable to have an article, but I'm unsure. See if you could find an answer from someone else. Sorry I can't help. DiamondDragon DESU 21:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Article recreated. Further discussion can take place at its talk page.VDZ 18:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review VDZ 09:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh! Online article

So why is the Yu-Gi-Oh! Online article still deleted? Because of DiamondDragon's personal opinion that he hadn't "heard" of the game? I imagine there's a great many people who have never "heard" of Nikola Tesla; should we delete that article too? I'm really confused here.

Yu-Gi-Oh! Online is a separate and valid entity with its own play mechanics, rules and quarterly tournaments with special prizes. At the very least, Yu-Gi-Oh! Online deserves a section in the main article (though it would be a lengthy one), but it would appear even that is being blocked here. What's the problem here? Is it some personal vendetta against the online game? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DBHughes (talk • contribs) 09:55, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

The Yu-Gi-Oh! Online article is still deleted because because of my personal opinion? Last time I checked, personal opinion had little effect on whether an article exists or not; the article was deleted although I never put any input into the deletion discussion. If you believe that there should be one, by all means go ahead. Besides, my opinion shouldn't the only one that matters. And I'm just one person. DiamondDragon DESU 02:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Check the Deletion Review. Although effectively deleted, it was officialy 'merged'. And because they call it 'merging' instead of 'deleting', we can't undelete it. Whatever they say, Wikipedia IS a bureaucracy. VDZ 21:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

So where is the merged material?--198.88.216.104 (talk) 18:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

The link to the YO website at External Links is the only "merged" material, hence the scare quotes. VDZ (talk) 07:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Ghost Rare

In the Card Rarity section, for ghost rare, it reads, Ghost Rare(stolen from Yu Yu card game, they should be sued). I don't know about wiki rules, but this doesn't belong, right? 74.119.166.88 03:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The occult and "most" Christians

"Due to their imagery, they were considered occult, mainly by Catholics and most other Christians."

Besides the fact that the entire occult section of the article carries no citation; this statement, as it is written, is religiously biased and carries false implications. Those Christians, Catholic or otherwise, who believe a commercially produced card game (or a video game, or an anime) to be a magic practice are a sensationalist minority (and many would argue, the antithesis of their alleged faith). While I cannot vouch for the state of things in Latin America, the article doesn't specify a region at this point (nor would I think it wise to generalize based on region anyway).

They are the antithesis of my faith. I see nothing wrong with Yu-Gi-Oh. -Sioraf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.74.131 (talk) 02:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I have a Christian family, as do several of my friends, and no friend or family member I know considers Pokemon, DBZ, or YuGiOh to be an occult practice (I maintain an interest in all three, and have thus far sparked no controversy). My mother, an ordained minister, sees nothing wrong with my brother and I playing a few rounds of Duel Monsters. If anything she appreciates the fact that we have something to do together. Hypershell (talk) 23:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Scaling

Should a paragraph on Scaling be added to the Controversy area of this article? Recently a video on how to scale on Youtube has brought the attention of a lot of people in the Yugioh online community and a representative from UDE have expressed the video be removed. The video can be viewed here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K80WpD-vA-M

And the views of the rep from UDE can be viewed here:

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=514302

Thoughts anyone? --HungryJacks (talk) 00:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it would make a good addition to the article, however, YouTube is not generally regarded as a reliable source. 2birds1stone (talk) 05:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Team Duelling

Team Duelling is no longer an unofficial variant, as UDE has released a PDF rule-list for it on the Yu-Gi-Oh! website. L337 kybldmstr (talk) 01:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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Bandai

Didnt bandai own duel monsters card game before konami did?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HeatGuyRed (talk • contribs) 19:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Most Commonly-Used Types of Card Formations and OCG/TCG War

Removed that part of the "Controversy" section of the article, because - despite what Jujube believes - a difference in what deck types people like to play is not a controversy; that is what is called diversity in the game.

Also, Jujube has repeatedly deleted two articles I attempted to add in its place: one detailing the split between the Asian OCG and western TCG games (which is very much known by both sides and has been argued for several years), and Konami's recent practices in altering the Ban/Restriction list to steer the game towards a more aggressive metagame, as well as their attempts to push the cards of certain anime characters (like Jaden's Elemental Heroes) on the players over cards the fans are wanting (like Bastion's Magnet Warriors), and their habit of creating new, self-contained deck types with each set, only to drop them shortly thereafter. Jujube argues that this is all "personal analysis", but that is impossible; as stated, the argument over the split between the two versions of the game has been raging for years among fans (and has grown exponentially thanks to UDE's active attempt to widen the distance between the two versiosn with their additions and modifications to the TCG, an act that UDE has admitted to doing themselves for that very reason), and anyone who has played the game can surely see what Konami has been doing. This isn't "bias", this is just facts that I'm trying to present in a non biased light. So why is it that every time I or someone else posts it up, it gets struck down as "original research"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.233.188.231 (talk) 20:55, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

• I'm leaving that section removed because it was badly spelled and, as you said, added nothing to the article. But your addition violated two Wikipedia policies (WP:OR and WP:NPOV) and had an obvious bias. Get together some reliable sources, change the tone of your writing and don't make suppositions. JuJube (talk) 20:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Dispute about Controversy section

I believe 66.233.188.231 (talk · contribs)'s additions to the Controversy section constitute original research, show a clear bias and break the WP:NPOV policy. I have suggested that he add some sources and rewrite the section with neutrality but he has just reinserted the section, adding even more OR. Not wishing to get into an edit war, I have requested an uninvolved admin's pair of eyes and commentary.—Preceding unsigned comment added by JuJube (talk • contribs) 22:46, 17 February 2008

I agree with you that the controversy section is in need of cleanup, trimming and/or rewriting to meet Wikipedia's WP:V policy. The entire section lacks reliable sources. The last two sections, Metagame and Deck Types and OCG vs. TCG, are particularly problematic in that they present large swathes of analysis and opinions without providing any supporting references. --Muchness (talk) 08:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the section should go back to the way it was before anony's edits. JuJube (talk) 09:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I think that unless the section is completely rewritten from a neutral point of view and with citations, it should be removed altogether. It represents a negative view on the matters. L337 kybldmstr (talk) 07:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

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OCG's?

I came here with only minor knowledge of yugioh. Most of the article makes sense (although I would clean up the part about the rarities if possible) My main question is what is OCG? it is a term that is used many times, but as far as I can see it's never explained what it means. I could assume "original card game," or something but it is confusing when your talking about "OCG's vs TCG's" (Which I both know what that means and is actually explained). When talking about TCG it was unclear whether you were talking about just Yugioh, or about all card games in general, and comparing them to the unknown OCG's just made it worse. Someone without prior knowledge should be able to understand the page. Pwright329 (talk) 05:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• OCG stands for "Official Card Game". It's the original game created by Konami. UDE's adaptation is known as TCG to differentiate it from the actual game. I agree, though, that some effort should be made to clarify that. JuJube (talk) 06:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Having problems rewriting this block of info

Collector Tins Before 2008, six tins came out each year, With the airing of Yu-Gi-Oh! 5ds, the number of 2008 tins was reduced to 4.

2005 Dark magician girl,Exarion of the universe,Panther warrior,Rocket warrior,Vorse raider and Gilford the lightning 2006 Cyber dragon,Elemental hero neos,Ravial lord of phantasms,Hamon lord of striking thunder,Uria lord of searing flames and Elemental hero shining flare wingman. 2007 Destiny hero Plasma, Elemental hero plasma vice, Volcanic doomfire,Rainbow dragon,Crystal beast sapphire pegasus and Elemental hero grand neos 2008 Red dragon archfiend,Stardust dragon, Black rose dragon and Turbo warrior Predictions for 2009 tins:Power tool dragon Ancient fairy dragon

I actually went ahead and rewrote the description, but I'm a bit lost as to how to fix the card listings proper. And whether to remove the predictions section (I suppose that's a "yes"). Or even to have this info in the article at all. Elm-39 (talk) 13:52, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the contents of the tins are notable; just mentioning which collector tins were released and that they contain a specific set of cards per tin should be enough, I think. As for speculation, speculation is always wrong on Wikipedia. Of course, an exception could be made if you have a really good source (such as UDE stating that they'll probably release this and that next year), but even then it can't just be stated as simple as that ('according to Upper Deck, it is likely that...etc'). VDZ (talk) 16:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

This controversy section looks more like a rotten "players as editors venting frustrations"

We all know that's it's all unsourced, but what else is wrong with it?

• Many Japanese cards are used in the manga or anime and popularized globally years before the cards are released outside Japan. For example, the Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon (BEUD), a popular card from the beginning of the game, was released in America late in 2005. The Blue Eyes Shining Dragon, which requires tributing a Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon (as a summon condition), was actually released almost a year before the BEUD was available for play.

That's a minor issue. I am pretty sure that no one cared enough about it to publish an article about it.

• Another issue is card editing, which occurs when Konami translates a card for use in the TCG, often with an edited picture.

This is a player complaint, one-sided, POV, with no counterpoint as to why Konami would do this. (Also, I don't know anyone who prefers the original Dian Keto picture to the edited one.)

• Purists have also noted that many card names are changed for the TCG, sometimes to tone down the name in an effort to "Localize" the game to its prospective audience (e.g. Five God Dragon becomes F.G.D. in video games and Five-Headed Dragon in the TCG).

True purists would know that F.G.D was the original Japanese name for it, with "Five God Dragon" the official expanded name situated above that. Also, it doesn't explain why FGD would be changed.

• Some feel that Konami does not correctly translate card names (e.g. Buster Rancher/Buster Launcher and Fushioh Richie/Nosferatu Lich) in some cases, while other say they are translated correctly. Upper Deck employees often cite the reason for name changes and art edits as being Konami's belief that it needs to make the game more appropriate for children outside of Japan.

Upper Deck's side only, and Konami's never said anything about the censorship. As far as I know, other companies use "Buster Launcher", "Nosferatu", and "Lich" as well, and there could've been frivolous lawsuits to make trouble for Konami if this wasn't changed. After all, Magic the Gathering actually got "Magic Canceller" changed to "Spell Canceller"

• This often creates problems with card effects based on specific names as the name changes are made with the knowledge of combos that were to come in later sets.Notable are the cards with Demon in the name which required an entire errata section on the English website to correct very early name changes

The "Demon" problem also affected fan translations, which would translated "akuma", for example, the same as "deemon". The whole thing was pretty unavoidable unless one could guess that "Demon" would've become a mechanic.

• A Scaler is a duelist who uses an electronic scale to determine whether or not a particular pack of Yugioh cards has a high rarity card in it. They can do this because Super Rares, Ultra Rares, and Secret Rares are slightly heavier than a regular Rare card or Common due to the extra amount of holographic material on the card. An electronic pocket scale can pick up those minute differences, which enables a scaler to know which packs contain the best cards. Recently, with the addition of the extra rare card that has been inserted in packs when it contains a holofoil, scaling has become slightly more difficult, although the difference still exists, it is no longer as easy. There are no laws that prohibit this directly or indirectly, however some store owners frown on this practice and do not allow it.

Oh come on, this is pure cruft. No one cares except those who play.

• There have been a number of incidences in which cheating has been recognized as a serious offense at many large scale tournaments. Due to the nature of the the prize support at Shonen Jump Championship events, where prize cards are often worth upwards of $1000, players turn to illegitimate methods such as stacking and marking their card sleeves in order to obtain an unfair adavantage against other players.

I could see a case for this point, but in this section the cheating hasn't been sufficiently shown to be a significant part of the game itself. Also, the source is a list of cheaters, which just says, "Oh, we have a lot of people who get in trouble." --141.155.12.146 (talk) 10:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Crimson Crisis status

I know that it doesn't gain mention in the article, but down at the bottom of the article where it lists the various card packs (and links to some, too) Crimson Crisis is still listed as unreleased when it was actually released on March 29. I don't have any official linkis for references, but you could probably find some on the Yu Gi Oh wikia. I'm asking that the status be changed to reflect Crimson Crisis as released. [>{>Drakonis<}<] (talk) 18:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Deck Card Count

The minimum for a deck is 40, and yes that has been consistent, but the official rules state that the maximum amount of cards you can have in a deck is 60. Somebody keeps changing it to 80. Stop. Please. [>{>Drakonis<}<] (talk) 20:57, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't me but there has been proof that with the arrival of the next booster pack (The Duelist Revelution) the maximum deck size will be changed to 80 also the extra deck will have a maximum of 20 and only 5 of those can be accel synchro monsters (a new game mechanic coming out with said booster. 86.151.135.20 (talk) 14:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Clean-up

I simplified and streamlined most of the article and cleaned up some useless information. I hope this improved on the quality of the article. 72.204.150.78 (talk) 15:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

card limt

in the general rules section, i saw the following sentence: Each player begins with a set number of life points (official rules designate 8000)and a deck of cards, typically containing 40-60 cards (but there is no limit to the number of cards allowed).

Part of this sentence is wrong. Official rules state you must have 40-60 cards, not counting the extra and side deck. Not any number. 110.174.141.98 (talk) 00:21, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Monsters?

Am I the only onr that noticed that the "Types of cards" section doesn't talk about monster cards at all.71.166.68.108 (talk) 20:01, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

There's a conflict in the article's "instruction"

At the beginning wrotten that that tha actual game is just like the fictional, & few setences later wrotten the differences wich behind them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by עברית (talk • contribs) 08:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

"Types of Cards" section

This was too long-winded. I deleted it and incorporated some of it into the "Basic rules" section. 2birds1stone (talk) 05:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

It was a rather pointless edit as it just makes it so that nothing is explained. If article length is an issue, it can probably be made on less important aspects such as the ones regarding Tournament Play and Rarity. Wonchop (talk) 12:03, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe it didn't explain enough aspects, but the current edit is far too detailed and doesn't cite any sources (which mine did). Wikipedia isn't meant to be an instruction manual/rulebook anyway. I'm not going to turn this into a revert war, but there really does need to be a happy medium between the two edits. 2birds1stone (talk) 12:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

To someone who's casually reading the article and doesn't want specific rulings on every aspect, I think Spell Speeds could definately be cut. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2birds1stone (talk • contribs) 12:34, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Was looking up WP:NOT. Section three, specifically: "Video game guides. An article about a computer game or video game should summarize the main actions the player does to win the game. But avoid lists of gameplay weapons, items, or concepts. Specific point values, achievements and trophies, time-limits, levels, character moves, character weight classes, and so on are also considered inappropriate. A concise summary is appropriate if it is essential to understanding the game or its significance in the industry." 2birds1stone (talk) 00:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I am disappointed in your apparent inability to discuss, though I accept that this may be a mere oversight; you seem to be a fairly busy editor. Regardless, I am going to edit the Gameplay section only using information available in Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game Starter Guide, as it best fits 'main actions the player does to win the game' while avoiding the fine details. Please discuss before reverting. 122.105.143.188 (talk) 12:22, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

My apologies, I forgot to log in before making that edit 2birds1stone (talk) 12:27, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay, guys, this is really annoying. Yes, the gameplay section is better than it used to be. However, you DELETED THE REFERENCES AGAIN (please, stop doing that), and it mentions some game mechanics without explaining them. If this keeps up, I may request semi-protect. Please discuss the gameplay section before editing.2birds1stone (talk) 00:09, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

My suggestion is a rules section using information only from the starter guide (my reasoining for this was clear earlier in the section); this rules section should explain any rules mechanics it has to mention. The types of cards section is needlessly detailed, and well and truly contradicts the aforementioned WP:NOT. I know I'm repeating myself here, but clearly, people are not listening, and if they are listening, then they are not discussing; this is infuriating. You have a month to discuss this before I am bold and go ahead and edit this; discussion is getting this nowhere, mainly because no one has actually contributed to discussion after the third comment. If people revert without discussion, I suggest we get an opinion from someone who has no history of editing this article, and agree to abide by that. Also, I suggest semi-protect; the majority of edits are coming from IPs, this would not be a problem, except they are not leaving reasons for their edits, and they are the ones who are doing things like deleting sorces. The main fanbase of the game is, unfortunately, twelve-year-olds, and they do not make the best editors.2birds1stone (talk) 00:21, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Controversy?

any kind of controversy is completely outdated, remove it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.47.163.18 (talk) 22:42, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

History of rules and OCG vs TCG

Would anybody who is familiar with the game know the history of rule changes (starting life points, tribute summons, etc.)? The article doesn't even mention Official Card Game (OCG) vs Trading Card Game (TCG). --Bertrc (talk) 20:47, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Back of the card suggestion

Hi. I suggest to change the profile picture into the back of the card like Magic: The Gathering and Pokémon Trading Card Game's respective articles. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.195.107.55 (talk) 20:15, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Age range between OCG and TCG

We need to keep that on the page. Cuz it shows the difference in how the demographic of the game is different between two different versions of the game. OCG is confirmed 12 and up as it says on the back of every pack: “対象年齢12才以上” (Translation: “Target age 12 years and older”) Which implies the game is for at least early teens. We need to expand more on the OCG and TCG information. This page shouldn’t be just TCG. 2601:589:4100:4B49:51BE:AA3E:20FE:D0AF (talk) 14:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)