Talk:Jackie Stewart

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Very crowded 1973 schedule[edit]

Re this bit - "It was at Indianapolis and I was getting depressed by the pace of my life, the limit of being at home."

It is worth pointing out that (due to various delays) the 1973 Indy 500 (which Stewart commentated on for ABC) took place on Wednesday May 30 and not on the previous Sunday as planned, and the Monaco GP (which he won) was then on Sunday 3 June (with practice and qualifying for it taking place even earlier in that same week). It just gives an idea of how crammed his schedule had become.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Indianapolis_500 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Monaco_Grand_Prix — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr gobrien (talk • contribs) 11:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stewarts Dunlop Rain Tyre Advantage in 1968[edit]

From the article: "even though his rain tires were probably better than the ones of the competition." I don't know I believe it was Dunlop tire while as far as remember Lotus and Ferrari were using Firestone. What were Mclaren and Brabham using ? Ericd 23:40, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Dunlop rain tyres Tyrell Matra, French V12 Matra and BRM used in 1968 were far better than the Firestones and Goodyears. Stewarts win by a 4 minute margin at Nurburgring and the 1st and 2nd by Stewart and Beltoise at the Dutch Gp reflects this. In both races they ran away with the race. Rodriquez BRM with Dunlops was immensely fast for much of the Dutch GP and the fastest on road for much of the French GP at Rouen eventually one BY Ickx on hand cut firestones. In the German GP the BRM's finished 6th Rodriqiez , 8th Courage and last and lapped Attwood possibly reflecting the fact that the BRM team bosses the Stanleys bias to old Etonians and Harrow old boys in Courage and Attwood was not a good one , but mainly BRM had lost its way and interest by Nurburgring and the P133 and P126 cars lacked even a rear wing to hold them down over the bumbs. Rodriquez engine will have been poorly or he would be furthur up. The only possible opposition to Stewart at Nurburgring would have come from Dan Gurney in the Eagle Westlake because the Eagle heavy and lacking in power was well suited to the circuit and Gurney who led in Germany by 45 sec in 1967 when he retired two laps from the flag, was good here. However he hit a kerb here on the second lap and had to pit and finished 9th. The fact jackie won at Zandroot and Nurburgring with an injured wrist and probably wouldnt have started these races unless they had been slower because of heavy rain, shows the immense superiority of the Dunlop rain tyres.

Trivia[edit]

Should there be a mention that he "cameos" in the music video for the Robbie Williams song "Supreme"? (Specifically, footage of Jackie from the 1970s is spliced with footage of Robbie, to make it look like they were both 1970s racing drivers). --Athcnv 20:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • No. Otherwise you're going to have to start listing every mention of Stewart in popular media. Halmyre 07:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Slow down![edit]

What the devil was McLaren doing testing an F3 car?

Just part of his job as a works Cooper driver. DH85868993 13:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, is it correct "It is a testament to his success that fewer drivers have been killed in the period since his retirement than in a single season before him."? Trekphiler 21:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Formula One fatal accidents identifies 11 drivers who have been killed in F1 cars since Stewart's retirement. Off the top of my head, I can't think of an individual season before Stewart's retirement in which more than 11 F1 drivers were killed, so it's possibly a bit of a stretch. DH85868993 13:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Degree[edit]

He was awarded an honourary degree from University of Edinburgh in 2006, is this ok to add? Or is it not that notable? James (talk) 12:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To my knowledge he has several, IIRC 1997 one from Glasgow Caledonian University. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.195.8 (talk) 12:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality[edit]

Should Jackie's nationality be listed as British or Scottish? Krashski35 (talk) 13:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality of F1 drivers has been standardised as the nationality of their racing licence, so JYS is listed as British. The lead makes clear that he is Scottish. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 13:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Surely the lead should refer to his as British as is consistent with other articles on Wiki? Paul Di Resta is a "a British racing driver from Scotland", Jim Clark was "a British Formula One racing driver from Scotland" Sue De Nimes (talk) 08:36, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Team Jackie won his championships with[edit]

This page http://www.formula1.com/teams_and_drivers/hall_of_fame/127/ says Jackie won all of his Championships with BRM. It never even mentions Matra. Whats up? --158.106.52.10 (talk) 16:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, it says he won them all with Tyrrell, which is true - one with the Tyrrell Matra-Cosworth, two with Tyrrell-Cosworths. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 22:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mortality rate?[edit]

"During Stewart's F1 career, the chances of an F1 driver who raced for five years being killed in a crash were two out of three."

While the number of drivers killed in crashes was undoubtably high, a perfunctory examination of the numbers reveals the 'two out of three' to be an exaggeration. Many of the drivers of the time also raced in Formula 2, Le Mans, Indianapolis, and other events such as hillclimbing and sports car races. Of those who started the 1965 season 11 out of 49 died in crashes during their careers, and 5 of these were F1 related. The majority of the drivers of Stewart's era who raced for five seasons or more actually survived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.9.97.204 (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RBS incident[edit]

this text is constantly overturned. I suspect somebody is vetting this page - note there is virtually no discussion of resentment about Stuart's tax exile status or his initial refusal to waive his RBS fee. We do not want a page that is just an advert for the man.

"Stewart is also the head sports consultant/ patron for the Royal Bank of Scotland. In March 2009, Jackie finally, after earlier refusals, waived his fee for the year in response to the bank losing £24bn in 2008.[1][2] " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.179.82 (talk) 22:38, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not having been involved in these edits, I'm just going to make a few uninvolved comments. For starters, the Heritage Scotsman link reads very a blog, it doesn't really meet WP:POV, or potentially WP:Reliable source perhaps? A question though is resentment for tax exile status a significant issue? No Wikipedia is not supposed to be an advert, nor is it supposed to be a method of broadcasting issues of minor significance.
And please can you sign your talk page posts as requested? Thank you. --Falcadore (talk) 23:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ http://heritage.scotsman.com/jackiestewart/39Sir-Jackie39s-giving-nothing-back.5026855.jp
  2. ^ BBC News Sir Jackie waives fee to help RBS

Spa crash[edit]

This section currently reads " The marshals had no tools to help him, and it took his teammate Hill and Bob Bondurant, who had both also crashed nearby, to get him out." I saw him on TV last night describing the accident and he related that Hill pulled over and stopped to help him "when he could have carried on racing". He mentioned nothing about Hill crashing. danno 17:37, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Both spun without hitting anything, I think. --Ian Dalziel (talk) 22:30, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're right. There's a clip on YouTube of Graham Hill talking about Stewart's crash. Hill spun off at the same place and it was only by chance that he spotted Stewart's car in a ditch - I don't think he'd have seen it from the track. Halmyre (talk) 06:32, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Buckinghamshire?[edit]

How long has he lived there? Can anyone find something that verifies this 'fact'? Not saying it's not true, I just though he still lived in Switzerland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boredreiver (talk • contribs) 15:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This interview indicates that he has had a home in Buckinghamshire since at least April 2009, and that he also has a home near Lake Geneva. DH85868993 (talk) 02:02, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Place of birth[edit]

To be pedantic, are we sure that he was born in Milton, West Dunbartonshire? Even in 1939 probably most mothers gave birth in a maternity hospital rather than at home. As it happens, there was a maternity hospital at Overtoun, which was arguably within Milton, which might have been open in 1939 although it is now closed. However he could have been born further afield e.g. in Braehome in Helensburgh or even Lennoxtown. PatGallacher (talk) 00:08, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Our usual source [1] says Milton, same as his brother. If any sources can be dug up to suggest somewhere else, then it can be changed. His autobiography should clear it up, if anyone has a copy. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:19, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Wikipedia entry for Overtoun House, it didn't become a Maternity Hospital until 1947. The Statutory Register of Births indicates that there was a John Young Stewart born in the parish of West Kilpatrick in 1939, which rules out Lennoxtown and Helensburgh. I'll check the autobiography when I can lay my hands on it. Halmyre (talk) 07:16, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE - I've checked the autobiography and he does say that both he and his brother were born at the family home in Milton (on the dining-room table!). Halmyre (talk) 13:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty impressive stuff. I bet Vettel wasn't born like that. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article says "Stewart was born in Dumbarton, a town not far from Scotland's largest city, Glasgow. Stewart's family were Austin, later Jaguar, car dealers and had built up a successful business in Milton, West Dunbartonshire, Scotland where Stewart was born." so it provides two places of birth. According to Halmyre, Jackie's autobiography says that Jackie was born in Milton. If this is the case, the sentence above should be fixed.

ICE77 (talk) 03:44, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, done. Halmyre (talk) 09:55, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

More ingredients[edit]

This BBC profile [2] has good stuff on his safety campaigning. Onanoff (talk) 20:06, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That spanner[edit]

There are three places in the article currently that mention the spectator's spanner. Two of them contain paragraph-length descriptions of how this incident intensified his interest in safety. One of those ought to be removed. I think it should be the first one, but I'll leave the decision to you folks who have been working on this fine article. 98.247.224.9 (talk) 02:43, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a shot although I think it could do with a bit more work and tidy up e.g. the consistency - the article constantly switches between referring to the names of Grands Prix or the names of the tracks, for instance. I've cut back on the commentator references in the lead-in and replaced it with a line about his safety campaign, which is surely more notable. Halmyre (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Donington Park[edit]

(The following text was added to the article by 80.192.156.23 on 22 October 2018; transferred to the talk page by DH85868993)

As a young man l worked as a Mercedes mechanic for FBW Motors in Oadby, owned by Frank Bernard Wheatcroft (FBW) who lived in Wigston, along with his many classic cars. I understood he and Jackie Stewart were instrumental in ‘buying’ the defunct Donnington Park racing circuit close to East Midlands Airport. However, if that is true l’m surprised there is no mention of the project here.

Nickname in lede[edit]

"The Flying Scot?" That was Jim Clark's nickname given to him by the racing press. Jackie, junior to Clark on the professional scene, was "The Wee Scott." I never heard Stewart referred to as "The Flying Scott, " although admittedly I haven't followed Stewart's life for many year. Was Clark's nickname conferred to his countryman Stewart after Clark's death? The entry was made without a source. ShelbyMarion (talk) 12:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the following references for Stewart being nicknamed the "Flying Scot":
Also noting the existence of Mike Kettlewell's book "Stewart: The Flying Scot", and the 2001 documentary "Jackie Stewart: The Flying Scot". I suspect the nickname was transferred to Stewart after Clark's death, in the same way that there have been several "Flying Finn"s over the years. DH85868993 (talk) 06:05, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"By Stewart's reckoning, a driver who raced for five years had a two-thirds chance of being killed in a crash"[edit]

The source does not say this was said by Stewart - it simply states this as fact. This seems to have been changed following complaints on this talk page that the figure is obviously an exaggeration - but seeing as those complaints still stand, this line should probably be removed. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 20:39, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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