Talk:Harlan Ellison/Archive 5

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Date of Death

Most sources say he died on June 28, 2018. The L.A. Times mistakenly say he died the night before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.189.88 (talk) 17:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

His own web page says 28 Jun, as does the original Twitter notice from Christine Valada. Moscow Mule (talk) 18:50, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

It might be relevant that un-verified Twitter accounts are never WP:RS, so information from that source would be inadmissible; perhaps "Vulture" is a RS and, in turn, did better fact-checking on the account owner and assertions, but the fact remains that we can't keep restoring a bare link to the Tweet in the article. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 03:23, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Disputed statement

The following statement appears regarding City on the Edge of Forever: "Ellison also novelized the story at that time, for the Star Trek Fotonovel series." This is incorrect; it's possible the person who added it is not familiar with the (somewhat hard to find) book series which consisted of images from the episode with captions taken verbatim from the episode. It was not a novelization in any way shape or form, and was in fact simply a reproduction of the TV episode, which Ellison took issue with. I recommend this statement be deleted unless there's a source that says Ellison was involved in the actual production of the Fotonovel which, given his objections to the changes to his script and the fact his original script had only just been published, makes no sense. 136.159.160.8 (talk) 22:11, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree that it's dubious and should be removed. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 01:30, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

I edited it to clarify it was in 1977 and was the aired version of the script and was not done by Ellison, though a brief interview with him is included in the Fotonovel. Sir Rhosis (talk) 22:23, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

It's still misleading: it's an abridged photo comic, not a novelization (which usually involves expanding on a photoplay). -Jason A. Quest (talk) 00:55, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

No mention of his sister?

His documentary says he stopped speaking to his sister after his mother's funeral, and his IMDb page mentions an older sister named Beverly. His FindAGrave page shows the graves of his parents and sister along with his own. She died in 2010. How is she not at all mentioned in this article, even as a quick mention in his early life? https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/190968329/beverly-c-rabnick

I've since added that information, but I'm not crazy about how I phrased it if anyone can do a better job.

An Erroneous Ellison Award

I removed the Saturn Award accredited to him, which had Citation #93 and this link:

http://harlanellison.com/awards.htm

To quote Harlan Ellison's Awards at Ellison Webderland (maintained by Rick Wyatt)

"Saturn Award (of the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror Films) 1976 Superior Achievement and Merit in Fantasy Film: A Boy and His Dog (awarded despite Ellison's work on ABAHD being uncredited)"

This is contradicted by Wikipedia's entry for 3rd Saturn Awards, which states that neither Ellison nor anyone was awarded a Saturn award in 1976, though Ellison did receive a Golden Scroll award. The Academy had only the Golden Scroll Award until it was renamed the Saturn Award in 1978. A Boy and His Dog was nominated for Best Science Fiction Film, but not for Best Fantasy Film. The fantasy film to win the Golden Scroll in 1976 was Doc Savage: Man of Bronze.

I have emailed webmaster Rick Wyatt to give him the correction.RickRiffel2020 (talk) 21:48, 3 September 2019 (UTC)RickRiffel2020 3 September 2019

Popularity?

So, how many books did he sell? Ellison has always been a writer more popular among the media than the sci-fi readers, to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:346:580:1FD0:502B:6FE2:67D6:75FC (talk) 16:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hugos.

Right …

How are we defining ‘Hugo Awards,’ here?

At various point, the article tells us Ellison won eight Hugos.

Whereas the list of Hugos he won … run’s to eleven items … 

What’s happening … ?

Cuddy2977 (talk) 17:54, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Marriage to Susan Allen Toth: incorrect

Susan Allen Toth was never married to Harlan Ellison. She married the architect James Stageberg in 1985 and they were married till his death. Her last b ookw as about caring for him in his final years.

https://collection.mndigital.org/catalog/p16022coll38:225?pn=false#/kaltura_video

https://www.startribune.com/obituaries/detail/12637084/

https://www.amazon.com/No-Saints-around-Here-Caregivers/dp/0816692866 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.125.196.140 (talk) 03:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

A cursory look at the material suggests that Susan Toth and Susan Allen Toth are two separate people. 75.137.172.90 (talk) 15:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)