Talk:Clerical clothing

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Moved all this from Vestment, where it does not, strictly speaking, belong. See Talk:Vestment for a good explanation why.

I have designated the Podryasnik/Anteri as "Inner Cassock" and the Ryasa/Riassa/Rason as "Outer Cassock". I am aware that there is no absolute consensus on this and that many Orthodox prefer the non-English terms. However, many Orthodox do use the term "cassock", and the Podryasnik and the Anteri are similar in appearance and practically identical in function, both with each other as well as with the western cassock. I see nothing wrong, therefore, with using this terminology, as well as with including Orthodox usage and terminology in the Cassock article. JHCC 14:48, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don’t think I have ever heard a Catholic - clergy or laity - refer to the garment as a cassock; it is generally called a soutane. Perhaps this should be included somewhere? Jock123 (talk) 20:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

{{reli-stub}} or {{christianity-stub}}?[edit]

Good to add the various other Christian categories, but should this be an exclusively Christian article? Is there clothing worn exclusively by Clergy of non-Christian religions? JHCC (talk) 01:00, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merging in Clergy Shirt and Clerical collar[edit]

It seems like there's an awful lot of duplication between this article on clerical clothing and the articles on clergy shirt and clerical collar. Couldn't we just have a well structured clerical clothing article, with sections/sub-sections on these items?Emerymat 03:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would actually favor moving the bulk of the "clergy shirt" section of this article to the Clergy shirt article. This article is subdivided by tradition (RC/Orthodox/Protestant/etc), not by types of clothing. Otherwise, we would have to have subsections for Cassock, Skufia, etc. JHCC (talk) 15:47, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
PS. Please sign your posts. JHCC
There is a separate article on cassock. That said, I am all in favor of merging these three articles together. PKM 18:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed - merge clergy shirt, clerical collar, cassock, and anything else related to non-liturgical clergy-wear to this section and insert redirects. Since this has been on the table since January, can we go ahead and do this now? Fishhead64 21:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's really handy to have the links from cossack to clerical clothing to clerical collar. So if you're combining them, make sure they keep all the pictures and some internal links ok?  :-)

70.23.190.47 05:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another related article (if you're merging) is Choir Dress...70.23.190.47 05:16, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Clerical shirt should be merged since it's a non-notable part of the clerical dress but clerical collar I'd argue is significant enough on its own to warrant a separate article. - DNewhall


Leave this article separate. A clerical collar is a distinct thing, that many people are curious about... I would not have found this article if it had been merged... 163.1.159.195 18:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If it was a redirect, that wouldn't be a problem. Clerical clothing is clerical clothing - having a different article for each item of everyday clothing only makes sense when there is overlap with secular uses (e.g., gaiters), but items peculiar to clerical wear should be here. Fishhead64 18:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If clerical collar and clerical shirt redirected to clerical clothing, there will be the possibility to organize clerical clothing better, I have noticed that both the articles for clerical collar and clerical clothing are very short on their own. ereiyo 14:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A clarifying edit[edit]

Reading this article, I thought it ought to be edited to two sections "Orthodox Christianity" and "Western Christianity". The section entitled "Catholicism" discusses various Western Christian practices and the "Anglicanism" section merely refers back to the previous section.

I would have done the edits, but thought it would mess up the links.

Also, "dickie style" collars are actually called "rabats" (http://www.almy.com/rabats.html)

Rename as Clerical clothing (Christian)[edit]

I think this page should be moved to Clerical clothing (Christian) from Clerical clothing. I have created a general article, Religious clothing, to cover the subject overall, and I think the differences between the articles' topics would be made much clearer if this was renamed. I would still suggest keeping Clerical clothing, as a redirect to Clerical clothing (Christian). Many thanks, Drum guy (talk) 21:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not unless there's going to be an article on Muslim clerical clothing. StAnselm (talk) 22:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Methodism[edit]

There are sections here for Anglicanism and Catholicism, as well as Lutheranism(which has no references) but none for Methodist? Tarheelz123 (talk) 22:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Neuralwarp (talk) 16:35, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion: purple for Anglican bishops only[edit]

Ooh, I'm sure this isn't right, or two main reasons. First, I seem to remember that C of E bishops can choose from a range of shades of "purple" - I think there's claret, crimson, russet, violet and magenta on the list. Second, the use of purple is related to their role as Lords of the church, and other clergy also fall into that category: mainly clergy appointed by the royal household. So that would include the Chaplain Royal and the choristers of Westminster Abbey, for example. Now if I can only find some references ... Neuralwarp (talk) 16:35, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No it sounds right to me. I know of no clergy in England and Wales who would wear a purple clerical shirt unless they were a bishop as to do so would be regarded as "trying to look like a bishop" and comments would be made. Your reference to choristers of Westminster abbey is irrelevant as they are mostly lay people. If by "Chaplain Royal" you mean "Dean of the Chapel Royal" then this post is always held by the Bishop of London, therefore always a bishop anyway; if you mean "Honorary Chaplain to the Queen", such clergy often wear a red cassock and can also wear a special badge, but generally dress as other clergy would with regard to shirt colour. Whilst there is no specific rules, I believe the article to be correct. The fact that there are many shades of purple is irrelevant. Apj1974 (talk) 15:13, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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