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Deletion review (DRV) is for reviewing speedy deletions and outcomes of deletion discussions. This includes appeals to delete pages kept after a prior discussion.
If you are considering a request for a deletion review, please read the "Purpose" section below to make sure that is what you wish to do. Then, follow the instructions below.
Purpose
Deletion review may be used:
- if someone believes the closer of a deletion discussion interpreted the consensus incorrectly;
- if a speedy deletion was done outside of the criteria or is otherwise disputed;
- if significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page;
- if a page has been wrongly deleted with no way to tell what exactly was deleted; or
- if there were substantial procedural errors in the deletion discussion or speedy deletion.
Deletion review should not be used:
- because of a disagreement with the deletion discussion's outcome that does not involve the closer's judgment (a page may be renominated after a reasonable timeframe);
- (This point formerly required first consulting the deleting admin if possible. As per this discussion an editor is not required to consult the closer of a deletion discussion (or the deleting admin for a speedy deletion) before starting a deletion review. However doing so is good practice, and can often save time and effort for all concerned. Notifying the closer is required.)
- to point out other pages that have or have not been deleted (as each page is different and stands or falls on its own merits);
- to challenge an article's deletion via the proposed deletion process, or to have the history of a deleted page restored behind a new, improved version of the page, called a history-only undeletion (please go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion for these);
- to repeat arguments already made in the deletion discussion;
- to argue technicalities (such as a deletion discussion being closed ten minutes early);
- to request that previously deleted content be used on other pages (please go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion for these requests);
- to attack other editors, cast aspersions, or make accusations of bias (such requests may be speedily closed);
- for uncontroversial undeletions, such as undeleting a very old article where substantial new sources have subsequently arisen. Use Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion instead. (If any editor objects to the undeletion, then it is considered controversial and this forum may be used.)
- to ask for permission to write a new version of a page which was deleted, unless it has been protected against creation. In general you don't need anyone's permission to recreate a deleted page, if your new version does not qualify for deletion then it will not be deleted.
Copyright violating, libelous, or otherwise prohibited content will not be restored.
Instructions
Before listing a review request, please:
- Consider attempting to discuss the matter with the closer as this could resolve the matter more quickly. There could have been a mistake, miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and a full review may not be needed. Such discussion also gives the closer the opportunity to clarify the reasoning behind a decision.
- Check that it is not on the list of perennial requests. Repeated requests every time some new, tiny snippet appears on the web have a tendency to be counter-productive. It is almost always best to play the waiting game unless you can decisively overcome the issues identified at deletion.
Steps to list a new deletion review
If your request is completely non-controversial (e.g., restoring an article deleted with a PROD, restoring an image deleted for lack of adequate licensing information, asking that the history be emailed to you, etc), please use Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion instead. |
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{{subst:drv2 |page=File:Foo.png |xfd_page=Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 February 19#Foo.png |article=Foo |reason= }} ~~~~ |
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Inform the editor who closed the deletion discussion by adding the following on their user talk page:
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For nominations to overturn and delete a page previously kept, attach |
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Leave notice of the deletion review outside of and above the original deletion discussion:
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Commenting in a deletion review
Any editor may express their opinion about an article or file being considered for deletion review. In the deletion review discussion, please type one of the following opinions preceded by an asterisk (*) and surrounded by three apostrophes (''') on either side. If you have additional thoughts to share, you may type this after the opinion. Place four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your entry, which should be placed below the entries of any previous editors:
- Endorse the original closing decision; or
- Relist on the relevant deletion forum (usually Articles for deletion); or
- List, if the page was speedy deleted outside of the established criteria and you believe it needs a full discussion at the appropriate forum to decide if it should be deleted; or
- Overturn the original decision and optionally an (action) per the Guide to deletion. For a keep decision, the default action associated with overturning is delete and vice versa. If an editor desires some action other than the default, they should make this clear; or
- Allow recreation of the page if new information is presented and deemed sufficient to permit recreation.
- Some consider it a courtesy, to other DRV participants, to indicate your prior involvements with the deletion discussion or the topic.
Examples of opinions for an article that had been deleted |
*'''Endorse''' The original closing decision looks like it was sound, no reason shown here to overturn it. ~~~~ |
*'''Relist''' A new discussion at AfD should bring a more thorough discussion, given the new information shown here. ~~~~ |
*'''Allow recreation''' The new information provided looks like it justifies recreation of the article from scratch if there is anyone willing to do the work. ~~~~ |
*'''List''' Article was speedied without discussion, criteria given did not match the problem, full discussion at AfD looks warranted. ~~~~ |
*'''Overturn and merge''' The article is a content fork, should have been merged into existing article on this topic rather than deleted. ~~~~ |
*'''Overturn and userfy''' Needs more development in userspace before being published again, but the subject meets our notability criteria. ~~~~ |
*'''Overturn''' Original deletion decision was not consistent with current policies. ~~~~ |
Remember that deletion review is not an opportunity to (re-)express your opinion on the content in question. It is an opportunity to correct errors in process (in the absence of significant new information), and thus the action specified should be the editor's feeling of the correct interpretation of the debate.
The presentation of new information about the content should be prefaced by Relist, rather than Overturn and (action). This information can then be more fully evaluated in its proper deletion discussion forum. Allow recreation is an alternative in such cases.
Temporary undeletion
Admins participating in deletion reviews are routinely requested to restore deleted pages under review and replace the content with the {{TempUndelete}}
template, leaving the history for review by everyone. However, copyright violations and violations of the policy on biographies of living persons should not be restored.
Closing reviews
A nominated page should remain on deletion review for at least seven days, unless the nomination was a proposed deletion. After seven days, an administrator will determine whether a consensus exists. If that consensus is to undelete, the admin should follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Administrator instructions. If the consensus was to relist, the page should be relisted at the appropriate forum. If the consensus was that the deletion was endorsed, the discussion should be closed with the consensus documented.
If the administrator closes the deletion review as no consensus, the outcome should generally be the same as if the decision was endorsed. However:
- If the decision under appeal was a speedy deletion, the page(s) in question should be restored, as it indicates the deletion was not uncontroversial. The closer, or any editor, may then proceed to nominate the page at the appropriate deletion discussion forum, if they so choose.
- If the decision under appeal was an XfD close, the closer may, at their discretion, relist the page(s) at the relevant XfD.
Ideally all closes should be made by an administrator to ensure that what is effectively the final appeal is applied consistently and fairly but in cases where the outcome is patently obvious or where a discussion has not been closed in good time it is permissible for a non-admin (ideally a DRV regular) to close discussions. Non-consensus closes should be avoided by non-admins unless they are absolutely unavoidable and the closer is sufficiently experienced at DRV to make that call. (Hint: if you are not sure that you have enough DRV experience then you don't.)
Speedy closes
- Objections to a proposed deletion can be processed immediately as though they were a request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion
- Where the closer of a deletion discussion realizes their close was wrong, and nobody has endorsed, the closer may speedily close as overturn. They should fully reverse their close, restoring any deleted pages if appropriate.
- Where the nominator of a DRV wishes to withdraw their nomination, and nobody else has recommended any outcome other than endorse, the nominator may speedily close as "endorse" (or ask someone else to do so on their behalf).
- Certain discussions may be closed without result if there is no prospect of success (e.g. disruptive nominations, if the nominator is repeatedly nominating the same page, or the page is listed at WP:DEEPER). These will usually be marked as "administrative close".
28 April 2024
25 April 2024
Candidates of the next Australian federal election
- Candidates of the next Australian federal election (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
Closer erred by draftifying an article about an upcoming event which already contains content about the event and which does not violate WP:CRYSTAL/WP:TOOSOON, and selected an arbitrary time for the article to be moved back into mainspace. Draft space is not a place for currently notable articles, and I believe the keep !votes were disregarded. Asking for this to be overturned to no consensus or keep so the article can be moved back from draftspace. SportingFlyer T·C 05:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have absolutely no idea how I screwed the template up this badly and every attempt I make to fix it makes it worse. SportingFlyer T·C 05:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Overturn to merge to next Australian federal election as a more sensible outcome all round. Stifle (talk) 08:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- While Merge may have been a reasonable proposal, it was clearly not supported by a consensus of discussion participants. Onetwothreeip (talk) 09:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Overturn to no consensus (and restore full article) as there were solid arguments made for keep, draftify, and merge. I strongly disagree with J2m5's comment that a no-consensus close should lead to re-draftifying. The April version of the article was substantially different than the version that was draftified in January, thus the draftify result on the January AFD has no bearing on the recent AFD. A merge discussion may be appropriate and can take place on the article talk page. Frank Anchor 12:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Overturn to no consensus (involved) - A neutral closer would find reasonable arguments on both sides (Draft and Keep), relatively similar popularity between the two sides, the contributions to the article during the discussion, and the trend towards Keep against Draft strengthening as the discussion progressed. The closer in this instance did not assess or attempt to assess these elements, and did not provide a reason to find there was a consensus for Draft despite all this; the closure comment looked more like a vote for one side than an assessment of the discussion. The article should therefore be restored, without prejudice to any further deletion or merger discussions. Onetwothreeip (talk) 21:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Overturn to no consensus. Editors did not agree on whether WP:CRYSTAL applies. As the nominator notes, the closer appears to have selected an ad hoc criterion for the article to be moved back into mainspace, an invented criterion of inclusion that is not supported by policy and is contradicted by the nature of drafting being optional. The closer's idea about when the draft should be moved back is the closer's editorial idea, but other editors might have different ideas about when to move back. AfD closer can't prevent good-faith bold mainspacing other than through salting, and salting would have been clearly inappropriate. —Alalch E. 08:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse (involved) Being notable does not mean ready for mainspace which a number of editors made a convincing argument for. That the article continues to have predominantly blank spaces where the future candidates will be speaks volumes. If it is the case that consensus here finds overturn to no consensus then it should still be moved to draft because of the article creator moving it back to mainspace merely three months after the first deletion discussion when there was no substantive difference to the article. I could for all intents and purposes probably have slapped it with a CSD G4 rather than nominating it for the second deletion discussion and my speedy would have been in all likelyhood been accepted. TarnishedPathtalk 09:09, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- The version of the article is substantially different than the one discussed in January. Therefore a no consensus close MUST result in the article being restored (without prejudice to renomination), and not default to an outdated discussion involving five participants. Likewise, G4 would not have applied for the same reasons.Frank Anchor 11:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- At the time of taking it out of draft into mainspace, merely three months after the first AfD, the only substantial difference (refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft%3ACandidates_of_the_next_Australian_federal_election&diff=1217634391&oldid=1199169820 for differences between being put into draft as consequence of the first AfD and being put back into mainspace) was the additional of a number of empty tables to be filled at a later date when candidates appeared. Notably those tables are almost completely empty. TarnishedPathtalk 12:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- The version of the article is substantially different than the one discussed in January. Therefore a no consensus close MUST result in the article being restored (without prejudice to renomination), and not default to an outdated discussion involving five participants. Likewise, G4 would not have applied for the same reasons.Frank Anchor 11:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
22 April 2024
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
I believe my rationale for delete carried more weight than those of the other two editors who voted to keep. I pinged Randykitty to know the rationale for 'No consensus' where they said
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
20 April 2024
Indian Motortcycle Manufacturing Company
Plausible typo ("R" and "T" are next to one another on a QWERTY keyboard) which was speedy deleted without proper discussion. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- No opinion as to the speedies (unclear which is being contested), but wait for the RM at Talk:Indian_Motocycle_Manufacturing_Company to close and then put in the necessary redirects rather than all that have been done in the interim which will then need cleanup. Star Mississippi 18:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Reply - "Indian Motortcycle Manufacturing Company" was speedy deleted, and that is the term being contested. Any resulting double redirects will likely be fixed by a bot. Also, your signature is on a different line than your response. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:50, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, to be clear, @Zzuuzz: moved it without a redirect-essentially a deletion and @Deb: speedied it. I wasn't sure which of the two actions you were contesting. Star Mississippi 01:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Reply - "Indian Motortcycle Manufacturing Company" was speedy deleted, and that is the term being contested. Any resulting double redirects will likely be fixed by a bot. Also, your signature is on a different line than your response. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:50, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- In practice, very few typos can escape an R3, as opposed to misspellings and misnomers - typically only common typos are kept. Even more so when it's part of a longer title - while "motortcycle" gets a surprising number of ghits, the phrase "Indian Motortcycle Manufacturing Company" appears nowhere on the Internet except Wikipedia and its mirrors. Gripping hand, I'd be more sympathetic to this if motortcycle had ever been created. A typo does not become plausible just because you made it once. —Cryptic 02:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Endorse as per Cryptic. If a typo only happened once, that means that it was possible, but not that it was plausible. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Well... It's a CSD contested by an editor in good standing, so I guess the by-the-book answer would be send it to RfD, but it sounds like there's a better/alternative way forward per Star Mississippi. I agree that possible and plausible are a pretty far stretch here, but that's for RfD, rather than a CSD or DRV. Jclemens (talk) 03:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I feel like people are overlooking how easy it is to accidentally create a redirect without really intending to, as it's obvious the creator of this redirect did. This particular typo can only happen when someone presses two keys simultaneously, not when someone accidentally presses the wrong key. How many people are likely to do that? Deb (talk) 10:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I would say that the typo version was the one I deleted (or suppressed-redirect) at this title. The recreation of the redirect was a deliberate reconstruction of that typo (likely because it was linked from ANI). Incidentally I speedy-deleted Indian Mototcycle Manufacturing Company (with the 't' but without the 'r') in the same session as I did this redirect-suppress, which I see no one is complaining about. My own view is that the deletion was legitimate, and it should be endorsed without prejudice to recreation. -- zzuuzz (talk) 12:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse per Cryptic. Also, If this is a
plausible typo
, then the addition of any other letter at any point in the title could be considered an acceptable redirect. Frank Anchor 12:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC) - Endorse, not plausible redirect. Stifle (talk) 14:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse per Frank. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
17 April 2024
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
The article was proposed for deletion, I contested it but a decision was made, without consensus or further discussion, to merge with another article Econophysics. As explained on the Econophysics talk page, this is not an appropriate merger. I therefore ask that the decision be postponed until there has been a suitable discussion period. Sjm3 (talk) 12:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |