Talk:Ioannis Kapodistrias

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Historical Anachronism[edit]

Kapodistrias was assassinated on September 27, 1831 under the Julian calendar. The date of his assassination CANNOT be changed to a later date reflecting the adoption of the Gregorian calendar which happened in Greece many decades later (February 15 to March 1, 1923). Doing so is called "historical anachronism". Please make the necessary corrections. [dimitriosp (at) hotmail (dot) com on October 3, 2017]

Too many sources and quotes[edit]

In an unusual situation, apparently due to conflict above years ago, the place of birth has more than ten cites, and other material is overcited. This is unnecessary and confusing, as it makes editing the page extremely difficult. A couple of RS (reliable sources) should be sufficient. If there is truly an historical argument about this between RS, material can be added that says, "Other sources, such as [named historians] suggest he was born...."Parkwells (talk) 14:18, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article would read better if refs 5 to 17 were taken out. Southdevonian (talk) 21:38, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This is exactly the reason why I added all these sources years ago. To prevent anyone from claiming what you wrote above: "Other sources, such as [named historians] suggest he was born...." There is no real historian who disputes he was born in Corfu and no debate about it and it would be false and original research to suggest otherwise. This article, as many others, has been the target of Albanian nationalist claims and adding these citations has brought peace to this article for many years. Just check the history from some years back to see the constant edit-warring which was happening. But since the adition of these citations it has subsided to almost nil. In addition these citations bring more information about Kapodistrias than merely his birthplace and can be used to support other facts besides that he was born in Corfu. So removing them is not a good idea. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:01, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A long list of footnotes after a sentence alerts readers to the fact that there has been an argument. I first read this article a while ago because I came across the name Kapodistrias somewhere and wanted to find out more. If the article had just said he was born in Corfu with one footnote, I would never have thought he could have been born anywhere else. Edwin Jacques in his book The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present writes that he was born in Corfu of an Albanian family (page 328). He cites Skendo 1919. And Skendo was indeed an Albanian nationalist - Midhat Frashëri.Southdevonian (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your statement: A long list of footnotes after a sentence alerts readers to the fact that there has been an argument.. That is undeniably true. But the argument is not with the mainstream historians. It is with the constant wave of fringe theories of a known origin (I would like not to use any more national descriptors). So in essence I agree with your position of removing them but let's do it carefully and slowly and perhaps retain those who can add information to the article other than his place of birth. For example citation [5] which you suggested that it be removed quotes nee Gonemi – one of the greatest personalities of Europe, diplomat and politician, first Governor of Greece and founder of the Modern Greek State. which is very important information about the maiden name "Gonemi" of his mother and which cannot easily be retrieved otherwise. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:53, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There is quite a lot of information about his mother's family in the last paragraph of the section (with sources). I will move it to before the bit about his studies.Southdevonian (talk) 09:36, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have moved the text around a bit in the section on early life to put it into more logical order. I now see what Parkwells means about how difficult it is to edit a section with so many footnotes. Is anything known about Kapodistrias' childhood - where he went to school, etc?Southdevonian (talk) 10:10, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
At that time I don't think there were schools the way we think of them today. I don't think there was a kindergarten or grade school at the time. The families of the nobles of Corfu provided their own education if I am not mistaken. But I don't have any sources about that. I will also try to convert the citations mechanism to move the bulk of the refs to the reference section. This will clear much of the clutter in the main body of the article. Please see WP:LDR. Using the List-defined references moves the bulk of all the references out of the article body and into the reference section itself. You can see an example of how this works at François-Xavier Donzelot. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 10:40, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I finished the conversion. It is much better now. I even fixed the spelling of "Thomopoulos". Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 12:00, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I also abbreviated some citation names to make it even easier to navigate in edit mode. This must be by now one of the easiest articles to navigate during edit mode on Wikipedia. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:19, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The citations have been put in alphabetical order. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:53, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Potato myth[edit]

The famous (and annoying) urban legend about the way that the potato was brought to Greece is mentioned in this article as fact. It's identical to the origin myth of potato cultivation in France (Parmentier) and Germany (Frederick of Prussia), i.e. placing armed guards around the potatoes and encouraging the peasants to steal them. A nice, but not scientific, debunking of the myth is to be found here. Athenianepirote 11:26, 14 January 2014

I qualified the passage by adding that it is a legend. Thank you for the suggestion. I also added an online link to the reference. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:20, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kapodistrias reshaped the administration and economy of Greece, and yet the potato gets all the space in the article. Athenianepirote (talk) 13:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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