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Cultural Impact?[edit]

This whole section seems a bit weak to me. Is it needed? --Jolyonralph 20:58, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, and no it doesn't and now isn't.GraemeLeggett 16:09, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography?[edit]

The article seems good, although IMHO it lacks "written" references. Will tag accordingly, and try to add some myself. Regards, DPdH (talk) 08:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've just added two useful little books from "Osprey" and "Squadron/Signal", but as I'd like to see more (and better) references will leave the tag for a while. Regards, DPdH (talk) 08:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name changes[edit]

The article doesn't seem to mention the 'mittlere' (medium) prefix except for the /22 and /23. The correct name, according to D 97/1+ (Gerätliste vom 1. 7. 43 from 1943-07-01) would include 'mittlere' for all the variants (e.g. mittlerer Schützenpanzerwagen (Sd Kfz 251/1) - and yes, there shouldn't be any periods in the abbreviation either). Unless there is a better reference for the current names, I'll change them. Christian Ankerstjerne (talk) 12:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ausf D[edit]

From early 1943, the Ausf D variant was developed with a purpose of reducing the number of angled body plates down to 50%, simplifying the design and thus speeding up the production. - is there a contemporary German source for this? If they reduced the number of angled plates by 50%, why did the weight go up 200kgs? Koakhtzvigad (talk) 13:04, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Users[edit]

Weren't these used post-War by Czechoslovakia and Israel?

I think the Czechoslovakians used their own version called the OT-810. It was more or less the same as the Sd.Kfz. 251 but had a larger engine and some modifications to the body. --Kriegaffe (talk) 19:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hanomag[edit]

I've never once heard them called this in the context of the Allies. Does anyone else have more corroborating evidence? comment added by --Kriegaffe (talk) 19:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't mean to be dismissive, but Google is your friend. 78,500 g-hits. I'd wager that every common piece of equipment in WWII had a nickname of some kind, but some became so common that it overtook the actual designation. Hanomag made nothing else of particular notability during WWII, but the 251 halftrack turned out to be so excellent, widespread and iconic that it became a generic trademark. The same thing happened with the first successful AT rocket (M1 Bazooka) and the first successful SMGs (the Thompson "Tommy gun", the MP40 "machine pistol" and the PPsh-41 "burp gun") All of these things are now known more by their nicknames than their original appelations. You're fine to ask for more sources, but just sayin'... Vintovka Dragunova (talk) 07:14, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

'Machinenpistole' (machine pistol) is the generic German word for submachine gun. It can't really be considered a nickname. Christian Ankerstjerne (talk) 13:24, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Typo?[edit]

Hi, anybody noticing this: ...Vollketten M.S.P. Kätchzchen and Final Developments of the Schützenpanzerwagen... Is there a typo? Kätchzchen, should'nt that be Kätzchen? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 12:06, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the book title --Denniss (talk) 21:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Type Sd Kfz 251a[edit]

According to https://www.facebook.com/Sd.Kfz.251a/ and http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_english/Motor_Vehicles/Germany/Hanomag/m__SPW/Sd__Kfz__251_unarmoured/sd__kfz__251_unarmoured.html there was a version Sd Kfz 251a (small a to distinguish it from A as it was different) built in 305 examples in 1939 with only 3mm armour to save material. Please add to article if you wish! Tx! 2003:A:1409:BB00:3500:81D3:FA82:2752 (talk)