Talk:Plunderphonics

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Shouldn't the Avalanches have a mention? 81.156.193.148 10:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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This article is absolutely perfect. Anyone who disputes it should look up the topic, it is definately a distinct genre different then just the concept of sampling. Oswald, Negativeland, and many underground labels all use the genre.

Plunderphonics can be also applied in music criticism to describe music which the entire melody and chorus is one giant sample, such as some songs of Fatboy Slim, regardless if fatboy slim himself would call his music plunderhphonics.

Merge?

Much of this article should be placed on Sampling (music) ... I don't think DJ Shadow considers what he does as "plunderphonics", he considers it sampling.

Well of course, DJ Shadow should be mentioned on Sampling (music), but I don't see what the harm is in giving him a mention him here as well. I mean, what he does is de facto plunderphonia (in a broad sense) whether he considers it so or not. I think to say that "much" of this article is in the wrong place is overdoing it a bit - OK, there are bits which are arguably not plunderphonia, but most of the article is describing plunderphonics, I think. Anyway, if you don't like it, fix it!. --Camembert

Unless there are good refs saying why this concept differs from sampling, the whole article should be merged into the sampling one. At the moment the whole thing is just original research it seems to me. Malick78 (talk) 09:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Too broad

I believe that this article expands the definition of the topic far too broadly; most of the material can be added to various articles, including Sampling (music), Negativland and John Oswald. My small change, Two Halves who is back from his paid vacation to Compton, California!!!

I dunno. I do think it's interesting to relate plunderphonics to other related and similar areas, and I do see journalists and so on using the word "plunderphonics" nowadays to refer to more or less any kind of self-conscious sampling. But do feel free to edit the article, I wrote much of it fairly quickly, more or less off the top of my head, and it's not sacred or anything. --Camembert

"Plunderphonics" is like "first person shooter". On the face of it the definition is anything which uses sampling (especially self conscious sampling). Yet, like fps games, what is usually made is much much more limited. Almost all the artists mentioned share very similar stylistic traits, such as loving to sample cartoony classical music and including old 1950's announcer voices.

Well, I dunno (again), John Oswald himself doesn't have a particular love for either of those things. But you're right, of course, that it's a common trait, which perhaps should be mentioned. Again, the article is there for the editing... --Camembert

Yeah I'm sorry I shouldn't have said all artists mentioned since many artists mentioned in this article are just mentioned for their heavy use of sampleing. But almost all modern self described plunderphonics artists who were inspired by Oswald and Negativland use the thrift store recording/50's announcer voice style.

Many of the collage track albums that were all the rage in England around 1987/88 are close to plunderphonics - people like Eric B & Rakim, M.A.R.R.S, The KLF in its early incarnations and a hundred more did albums and 12-inches that were tapestries of blatantly prominent samples over some regular or changing house beat. The samples didn't actually build a unified track, the intended effect was more like gliding across radio bands. I remember an interview with Tim Simenon where he said "Every DJ wants to be a producer now" but the input of new-recorded material was often minimal. /Strausszek (talk) 13:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The trick is to only include text with a source that explicitly identifies as 'plunderphonics'. That way, we do not have to worry about how broad or narrow we personally define the genre. Ashmoo (talk) 14:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Dispute?

What exactly is the factual dispute mentioned in the header? This should be explicitly mentioned here on the talk page, or the dispute tag should be removed. Tempshill 23:41, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• I second Tempshill -- I don't see any factual disagreement sufficient to merit that this page be listed as "disputed." --Monty Cantsin

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Other artists - The Avalanches, J Dilla, DJ Shadow etc.

THere's very little mention of other main protagonists of plunderhphonics here... it's almost like a bio page for Oswald. For instance, the Avalanches are famous for plunderphonics, as is DJ Shadow. The three main albums I understand for plunderphonics aren't even Oswald albums, they are The Avalanches Since I left you, DJ Shadow’s Endtroducing in 1996,  and J Dilla’s Donuts in 2006 Deathlibrarian (talk) 13:12, 3 May 2023 (UTC)