Talk:Wynn

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Untitled[edit]

What font is needed to view the runes at [1]? Is there somewhere I can get it? The rune on wynn is still a ? for me instead of &x16b9; --Merovingian✍Talk 01:58, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

Moving back to Wynn[edit]

The unicode character is not displayable using the default character sets that are widely available. Moreover, it is not a character in modern English orthography. At minimum, article titles should be visible to users without the need to load specialized software. Robert A West 18:34, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good. Septentrionalis 18:35, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and if someone feels the need to move it back again, please take it to WP:RM. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). The default rule on Wikipedia has been elucidated on the talk page for that policy by Jimbo Wales: "My perspective is that if I don't see it on my keyboard, and if I didn't sing it in the alphabet song, it's 'fancy' and therefore should be avoided." We should not do otherwise without consensus. Robert A West 19:34, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Citations[edit]

Sorry, that comment in the text wasn't very clear. By "needs citations", I meant that we should be specifying which edition of the Rune Poem the text quoted in the article is taken from, what the line numbers are, and, if the modern English text is from a published translation, whose it is. Does anyone know? — Haeleth Talk 21:28, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

sure -- and I note rune poem (where the translation was taken from) has no decent references either. It's just that html comments are not very visible, it is better to demand references on talk, or, in bad cases, use {{fact}}. The text of the OE rune poem is taken from the DOE Electronic edition (line 9.22) dab (ᛏ) 13:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, sorry; and thank you, all is now clear. — Haeleth Talk 17:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of Æ[edit]

Re: your removal of Æ from the article - Æsc "Ash" does exist in the Old English Rune Poem, although I am not certain on its etymology into English since this ligature existed in Classical /Medieval Latin and other languages. I have restored the removal - please log in and discuss the changes on the talk page. - WeniWidiWiki 19:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The letter Æ æ is simply a ligature of the two latin letters a and e. See the article Æ, which explains it in details. In particular, the letteræ is, in English, just a transliteration of the rune æsc.

So, I understand (now) your confusion: the letter itself (æ) is of latin origin, but its (English) name (æsc/ash) is of runic origin --147.210.22.149 21:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The roman glyph æ is indeed a ligature, but remember that in English, æ was a singular letter, as there was a singular "ash" rune, distinct from the A rune. English is not latin. Speak ENGLISH or get out!—Ƿōdenhelm (talk) 14:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wynn and LaTeX[edit]

The Thorn (letter) article has the LaTeX coding. Can this be added for the Wynn in this article here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.90.242.55 (talk) 16:36, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

UU Digraph[edit]

The article states that "the earliest Old English texts represent [the /w/] phoneme with the digraph ⟨uu⟩". Is this information reliable? After a bit of searching the earliest text I could find was a copy of Cædmon's Hymn from the mid-8th century (seen here), which uses a single ⟨u⟩ to represent the aforementioned phoneme. 71.12.123.95 (talk) 23:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Distinguishing wynn from p[edit]

From the article:

since the early 20th century the usual practice has been to substitute the modern ⟨w⟩ because of ƿynn's visual resemblance to P.

Conspicuous by their absence are the following:

A citation for this, such as the preface of a work explaining this substitution
Images of ⟨ƿ⟩ near ⟨p⟩ in the same manuscript to illustrate how manuscripts of the time approached distinguishing the letters (bonus points: find one that also uses insular ⟨r⟩)
Guidelines from respected type designers as to how to approach wynn, analogous to Sigurdur Armannsson's article "The Making of Thorn, thorn, Eth, eth" and Gunnlaugur SE Briem's "Design / Thorn and eth"

Damian Yerrick (talk) 16:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Was wondering about this question myself. I don't have a designer analysis, but I did find this blog post with an example text. The image below the badger skin clearly has p, ƿ, and r, and even one word with all of them ("⁊ sproƿ ⁊ his ƿif" written between lines, left of the hole in the page). It looks like in this hand, p's bowl is open and its stroke curls in and upwards, wynn has a closed bowl and sometimes appears flat on top, and r is like an n with a long left leg and the right one curling to the right. --97.113.115.170 (talk) 04:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]