Talk:Charles IV, Holy Roman Emperor

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Comment from February 2002[edit]

I've always heard John the Blind referred to as king - at least if this is the same John the blind that was captured at Crecy (or Poitiers? I think Crecy). What was his title? Charles IV should be HRE first, then other titles -- but I can't get the bloody system to redirect. Someone needs to stop creating these genealogical stubs. They are neither informative nor well-written. JHK

comments[edit]

I'm not at all sure what the author meant by:

As one of only few Roman Emperors, he choosed Prague, the capital of Bohemia, as his site.

As his 'capital'? And what on earth was 'as one of only few Roman Emperors?'

Just a bad translation (word ordering is obviously czech). Only few Roman Emperors made Prague their capital and Charlet IV was first of them.

Numerals - here we go again....[edit]

I thought that his numerals are firmly established as Charles IV ( or Karel IV in Czech). Why ow why we have there ..."Charles I (May 14, 1316 – 29 November 1378), of the House of Luxembourg, King of the Romans (as Charles (Karl) IV, 1368 – 1378), Holy Roman Emperor (Charles IV, 1355 – 1378), King of Bohemia (Charles (Karel) I 1346 – 1378)..., moreover just after a proper heading ??? Could someone more oriented in history rectify this ? Thanks beforehead. Radoneme

He was the first king of Bohemia named Charles: king Charles I. Also, he was first member of House of Luxembourg with this name. But he was fourth Roman Emperor: emperor Charles IV. This principle applies to every monarch which rules several countries. For example, see Scottland#Head_of_state.

why have his genelogy tree twice?[edit]

We have his ancestors in two different formats... why?

Siege of Siena[edit]

The article states that "His [Charles IV] second journey to Italy took place in 1368, when he had a meeting with Pope Urban VI at Viterbo, was besieged in his palace at Siena..." Who besieged him and why? How was the siege ended? Top.Squark (talk) 12:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war about Category:Roman Catholic monarchs[edit]

On 8 November, an edit war with dozens of reverts erupted whether Category:Roman Catholic monarchs does apply, or not. If it does not, why? -- Matthead Discuß 04:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for not replying right away; I didn't notice this thread till now. In response -- yes, I should have been far more careful to avoid getting into it, but I told him before to sort it out properly or not edit at all. S/he ignored; thus, I reported the user using a revert/warn/block cycle (like anyone would). In the span of a few minutes, the whole thing gets into a new mess, and from there, you can see how it turns out to be a guy who evaded his/her block. Why? You can blame this mess for happening in the first place. As for how long ...before I was even involved, this was a problem with the same user. Of course, I'm accountable for my part in this, but realize that this issue is much bigger than it looks at first. ~ Troy (talk) 00:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this Wikipedia article about Charles IV have Categories: Unassessed Czech Republic articles | Unknown-importance Czech Republic articles | WikiProject Czech Republic articles and WikiProject Czech Republic ???. An Observer (70.133.79.167 (talk) 20:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Charles IV was a Czech King - King of Bohemia - its official name - České království. Posp68 (talk) 16:32, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jugglers?[edit]

Under the heading, King of the Romans, the next to last sentence of the fourth paragraph reads: This served as a training ground for bureaucrats, jugglers, and lawyers.

Really, jugglers?

I suspect it's a sloppy translation of "jongleur", ie. "entertainer" in general. Singers, musicians, acrobats, and the like could all be referred to as "jongleurs". --NellieBly (talk) 10:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the reference to "juggler" and also a description of Prague as the "vacationing" capital of Europe. The first needs a good reference as being improbable: I don't think it's at all controversial to have the university be a training ground for bureaucrats and lawyers - generally there's what universities were meant for - but normally entertainers learned on the job. As for the vacationing reference - had Prague been a "vacation" hotbed it wouldn't have been spared the Black Death. I put "vacation" in quotes because the concept was hardly known at the time - the tiny percentage of the population who were both personally free and wealthy enough to travel without necessity didn't "vacation", as the concept had not yet arisen: they would go on pilgrimage. --NellieBly (talk) 10:48, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Minor edit to lead paragraph[edit]

Hi,

I changed the wording (not contents) of the lead paragraph, as the previous text was unfortunately worded to imply that Czech ancestry is in and of itself praiseworthy. ("(...) he emphasized [the Czech side of his ancestry; i.e., House of Přemysl] because it was Czech (...)")(I'm sure this was an unintentional consequence of the most likely Czech writer's limited means of English expression...)

My rewording says that he emphasized it "due to his lifelong affinity for the Czech side of his inheritance". The reason I'm writing about it here is that the man's feelings about his ancestry are a claim that should ideally be supported. Unfortunately, I don't have a suitable source to hand. I'm fairly sure it is accurate, as multiple accounts of Charles' life I'm aware of (including Vita Caroli, his autobiography) speak to that effect. Plus, the original wording of the claim also was not sourced, so it's not like it's a step down.

Still, since it's the lead paragraph, I figured I should leave a note here in case someone has a good source for this (or wants to remove the material completely as unsourced).

(I should also declare my bias in that I am Czech, and Charles is probably the most popular of the country's historical rulers - hence, the facts about him that are "common knowledge" among Czechs could conceivably be slanted to give more than due weight to his activities in, and relationship with, Bohemia.)

Michael, 46.135.71.96 (talk) 11:56, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Statue of Charles IV[edit]

Pic needs straightening. - Sca (talk) 15:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please contribute to my new article Cultural depictions of Charles IV, Holy Roman Emperor[edit]

I've just wrote the article Cultural depictions of Charles IV, Holy Roman Emperor as part of a series of Cultural depictions of Holy Roman Emperors articles. My access and ability to deal with sources written in Czech is limited though, so I have to depend mainly on German and English sources. Any help is welcome - historiography, artworks, commemoration etc Deamonpen (talk) 14:25, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]