Talk:Prussian Trust

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and initiated by the Landsmannschaft Ostpreußen and Landsmannschaft Schlesien Is it real fact? I heard that the organisations stated it is private business of its members?Cautious 08:41, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The GMBH name would suggest it... Halibutt 12:13, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

for Prussian property as far as I am concerned, they try to claim private not Prussian propertyCautious 08:41, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

from Eastern Germany the legal basis for the claims is setup on top of recongnizing existing borders. (if the area belongs to Germany, they should sue German government). Putting territorial revisionism in such a context makes no sense Cautious 08:41, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yup, from what I see at their page they propose some sort of restitution on a legal basis, so speaking of Eastern Germany is out of the question. Halibutt 12:13, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

According to their website they don't seek financial "compensation" but will only accept the return of their indiviudal property.

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Article is clearly pro-PCS. POV prevailing propably even in Germany is its claims are quite ridiculous and extreme, and that has to be addresed. And not this way: "red chancellor" - he is communist? Does any signifficant party stated it would support PCS? And more - IMHO Schröder not only stated government would not support PCS claims, but actively form Polish-German team of lawyers to tear apart PCS claims.

"from Germans expelled from Eastern Germany, after it was occupied by Stalin and transferred to Poland, Czechoslovakia and other states."

Either nonsense or quite extreme POV (Lebensraum). Exactly what part of Bohemia is Eastern Germany? What was occupied by Stalin? Did the parts of Poland occupied by Soviets belonged to Eastern Germany?

==> Pomerania, Silesia, Eastern Brandenburg, West and East Prussia had been German for hundreds of years before they were annexed and ethically cleansed by Poland and the USSR. The Sudetenland is the German-speaking part of Bohemia and Marovia, from where the native population was expelled to what is today the Federal Republic of Germany and Austria.

"However, German politicans stated that the Polish claim was ridiculous and had no legal basis." "Also, German claims against Poland would be much larger than Polish claims against Germany."

Any evidence? --Wikimol 08:56, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I asked Hajduk about it on his talk page. I'm still waiting for his reply though. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 12:04, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
Eastern Germany = Prussia (East and West), Pomerania, Silesia. They've been cut off from Germany after WW1 and WW2, with they expropriations after WW1 playing a role in the pretext of WW2. Yes, Germans that lived there were expropriated murdered and expelled from there after the World Wars. This is even mainstream consensus, even if it isn't popular to mention. --105.6.0.204 (talk) 15:29, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Am I reading the article wrong? In my understanding it is rather clear, that the claims of the Treuhand are generally thought to be irrevelant and its activities unwelcome. Must this be formulated even more clear, or why is there a NPOV warning? --Pjacobi 11:04, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

It definatley should be formulated more clear. The "Treuhand" has no official backing in Germany (although some politicans like to kiss up to them from time to time) and is generally seen as a bunch of annoying whackos who just can't let begone be begones. --Dwightman 18:33, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
It should also be pointed out that despite the Sejm's resolution the Polish government dismissed the issue of "pressing charges for war reparations against Germany". --Dwightman 18:35, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

The current Polish president supports the Polish Claims Society against Germany.

I have edited the article for accuracy/NPOV drawing partly on the corresponding German Wikipedia article. Can we nail down what remaining disputed points (if any) are so we can make the article undisputed? Tschild 21:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Prussian Trust[edit]

Is this the company of the "Prussian Trust" as both seem to be based in Düsseldorf? See:

The SPIEGEL Blog translates Preussische Treuhand as "Prussian Trust" A google search returns:

  • about 182 English pages for "Prussian Claims Society" -wikipedia.
  • about 315 English pages for "Prussian Trust" -wikipedia.

As both the Spiegle and the BBC uses the term "Prussian Trust" perhapse this page should be moved.

Then again the BBC has only 2 article and the other later one uses "Prussian Claims Society" (Germans and Poles settle WWII row Monday, 27 September, 2004) --PBS 14:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


After thinking about the naming issue for a day or two as both the German Foreign office and the Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs have both referred to the organisation as the Prussian Trust, this year (2007):

I am moving the article to that name. --PBS 10:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"territories which after World War II became parts of [...] Czechoslovakia."[edit]

Which territories exactly does this refer to? Yaan (talk) 12:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe more exactly: which Prussian territories exactly does this refer to? Yaan (talk) 12:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Hlučín Area?

The problem is that the Prussian Trust website has changed a lot over the years. It now carries far less details than it did. I must admit that I had not noticed the Czech Republic claim until you highlighted it, and I am not sure who added it and what they used as a source (The history of the article could be used to find out who it was)

I have added a citation for the claim against the Czech Republic

After Poland and the Czech Republic joined the EU in May, the rightwing Prussian Trust organisation, which represents families of expelled Germans, began a series of lawsuits in those countries to recover property seized after the war.

But the journalists might have been confused because an earlier news item from the Guardian just 3 days earlier 2004-07-31: Ian Traynor "Schröder in Warsaw for anniversary of uprising.

The rightwing Prussian Trust organisation, which represents the families of expropriated and resettled Germans, has been launching private lawsuits in Poland for the return of lost property, believing that Poland's accession to the EU in May will make it easier for Germans to reclaim their former homes. Similar tussles and tensions are occurring in the Czech Republic, where more than 2 million Sudeten Germans were expelled at the end of the war.

When searching for more on this here is a Telegraph article by Hannah Cleaver Germany's elite drop claims for lost land 14 September 2004. Which was only a couple of months later and that additional claim by yet another German group might also have been a source of confusion. --PBS (talk) 14:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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