Talk:Compassionate conservatism

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Untitled[edit]

I combined Compassionate Conservative and Compassionate Conservatism pages.

Oxymoron more than just a description of the president?[edit]

-chit chat

"Compassionate conservatism" is oxymoronic, and "compassionate liberalism" is redundant. Too Old 23:29, 9 December 2005 18:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The purpose of the talk page is to talk about the article, not the subject of the article.StreamingRadioGuide (talk) 02:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

COnservatives are much more compassionate than liberals by the statistics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.87.104.139 (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could use more specifics[edit]

I added some specific arguments for and against compassionate conservatism, but I think there's a lot more to say on both sides. -- Jeff Q 06:15, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This needs sources. No "others say" blah - we need to know who says what. Secretlondon 16:43, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"as the white house says"<--- the whitehouse is a building and says nothing. WHO at the whitehouse said that? If it was anonymous, where did the quote appear? EDIT: found it, sourced it.TastemyHouse 20:42, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Slightly USA-Centric article Compassionate conservatism has been coined and used in the UK for the last 25 years

NPOV[edit]

This article to me clearly appears to be biased in favor of compassionate conservativism, especially this part:

Critics further charge that conservatives have historically been indifferent to the concerns of those not in the mainstream culture (see AIDS, mental illness, same-sex marriage); this criticism appears to ignore the fact that compassionate conservative philosophy supports immigrants and immigration. Many argue that locally-driven "compassion" creates a potential for unequal treatment of similar problems and for local biases to take precedence over general standards. Some complain that the use of charitable religious groups administering social programs violates the principle of separation of church and state; courts, however, generally recognize that the First Amendment permits religious organizations to be neutral beneficiaries of government programs.

"Seems to ignore **the fact**" (Implying that conservatives are in fact, compassionate towards immigrants, whereas there is tons of literature indicate the opposite) Overall these are 1 sentence straw man arguments against this highly controversial term. I will mark POV unless anyone objects. Cameron 03:48, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This has to be a hoax.

Why does this entry exist?[edit]

It's being presented as a political philosophy when it's just a campaign slogan. It deserves a couple of sentences at most.

True. I do however find it rather appropriate that the article has an "avoid weasel words" tag, given that "compassionate conservatism" is itself an example of weasel words, as Lamar Alexander rightly pointed out when Bush first started using the term. (He also referred to the phrase as "empty shells ... cleverly and deliberately put together to confuse people by meaning nothing".)
As for the fact that it's just a campaign slogan, that's borne out by the fact that the term pretty much only gets trotted out during election years. Redxiv 03:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Compassionate Conservative" trademark[edit]

I don't know if it is worth incorporating into the article, but in 1998, radio commentator Michael Savage tried to trademark "Compassionate Conservative" (serial #75416390) using his real name of Michael Alan Weiner - which can be found in the USPTO Search.StreamingRadioGuide (talk) 02:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Michael Savage came up with the term "compassionate conservative" to describe his political ideology.Autumnal Obelisk (talk) 04:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC)Autumnal Obelisk[reply]

The term was already in common use by 1998. While Savage may have taken it up, he certainly didn't "come up with" it originally.   Will Beback  talk  02:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See also and about Fred Barnes[edit]

I only have a sugestion about creating a see also, which I don't know if it makes any sense: a link to One-Nation Conservatism, which is the British correspondent philosophy. On another point, Fred Barnes is described as a critic of compassionate conservatism but though he calls it Big government conservatism (in traditionaly small government inclined America that may sound as an insult), but here at 0:23 Mike Tanner describes Barnes as aproving compassionate/big government conservatism, and even the article they have as a source of Barnes' "criticism" is, at most, a neutral description. Lususromulus (talk) 20:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added See also section with a link to One nation conservatism. --Miacek (t) 05:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blue flag portal is not appropriate for this US dominated article[edit]

Red is the current color for conservatives in the United States. This article has a very American tone and point of view. The Blue flag portal, which reflects a European political view, is inappropriate for a predominately American subject that is associated with the Red color of the Red States in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.178.190.54 (talk) 09:59, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Progressive Conservatism???[edit]

Although progressive conservatism redirects to compassionate conservatism, there is no reference to progressive conservatism in the U.S. as it is defined in the section of the Conservatism article [1], leading to the conclusion that these terms are not necessarily synonymous, and furthermore, any connection between them should be explained.

  • If no one objects, I think the redirect should end and Progressive conservatism, something far, far older than "compassionate conservatism", should be added. Chris Weimer (talk) 01:35, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism#Progressive_conservatism

canada[edit]

canada had a progressive conservative party at the national level from 1942-2003 that was a merger of toryism and progressivism (as understood in the populist sense). it elected members of the progressive party to provincial legislatures, and even governed as progressives in a few places. progressive conservatives were distinguished from traditional conservatives by the term "red tory", which indicated that they were conservatives with liberal social leanings. the party was destroyed in the 1993 elections. a conservative party was created in 2003 out of the remnants of the party and a more socially conservative variant that was running under the "reform" banner between 1988 and 2003. but, a red tory swing vote continues to exist at the national level between the new conservative party and the old liberal party (with roots in nineteenth century liberalism).

the page is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Conservative_Party_of_Canada

this party took positions that are had to describe in traditional political terms. for example, it supported a bill of rights and socialized health care in the 60s, free market wage and price controls in the mid 70s and marijuana legalization in the late 70s. these ideas can be traced as equal to old toryism as they can to progressivism, so the synthesis was less incoherent and more out of touch with right-wing developments in the rest of the anglosphere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.48.181.80 (talk) 17:20, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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