Talk:Electoral system

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The colors of the legend / map of the main image for this article do not correspond: e.g. China is dark brown on map, but listed as black in the legend. 49.237.43.203 (talk) 08:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

SNTV is not a form of block voting, not all voting in MMD is block voting

article reads thusly: In cases where there are multiple positions to be filled, most commonly in cases of multi-member constituencies, plurality voting is referred to as block voting, multiple non-transferable vote or plurality-at-large. This takes two main forms: in one form voters have as many votes as there are seats and can vote for any candidate, regardless of party – this is used in eight countries. There are variations on this system such as limited voting, where voters are given fewer votes than there are seats to be filled (Gibraltar is the only territory where this system is in use) and single non-transferable vote (SNTV), in which voters can vote for only one candidate in a multi-member constituency, with the candidates receiving the most votes declared the winners; this system is used in Kuwait, the Pitcairn Islands and Vanuatu. In the other main form of block voting, also known as party block voting, voters can only vote for the multiple candidates of a single party, with the party receiving the most votes winning all contested positions. This is used in five countries as part of mixed systems.

But it is not true that in all cases where there are multiple positions to be filled, plurality is used to fill seats, nor that in all cases voters may cast multiple votes. so not all plurality voting is block voting and not all voting to fill multiple positions is block voting.

Block voting is particular form of voting in multimember district (and is same as plurality at large) Limited Voting is also a particular form of voting in multimember district separate from Block voting SNTV is also a particular form of voting in multimember district. each voter cannot cast multiple votes so is not at all a form of Block Voting.

I have tried to make changes in line with these facts but in October 2023 they were reversed without cause. 2604:3D09:887C:7B70:0:0:0:6A17 (talk) 21:26, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Define the term electoral system

It use in computer 190.93.39.61 (talk) 21:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Where exactly else is it used? Please provide a link; I am a Wikipedian so I demand references! If you are getting confused with electric system this is not the right page for this sort of request. Do you mean there needs to be more detail on the voting machines used in the United States of America? Qwerty123M (talk) 00:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

चुनाव प्रणाली क्या है

चुनाव प्रणाली क्या है 2402:8100:262A:1511:678:5634:1232:5476 (talk) 01:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

See WP:ENGLISHPLEASE. Qwerty123M (talk) 01:26, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Request: Rewrite categories to follow more standard, four-family classification

Standard, four-family classification of voting systems is:

1. Positional voting: f(k) points for each ballot ranking a candidate in k-th place. Candidate with most points is the winner. Includes Plurality, Borda, Dowdall.
2. Sequential methods: Sequentially eliminate biggest losers according to some other method. Rerun election excluding them. Includes Nanson, instant-runoff voting (sequential-loser plurality), descending solid coalitions.
3. Round-Robin methods: Compare every candidate in a round-robin tournament. Winner is the candidate who is "closest to winning every match" (different methods define "closest" differently). Includes Ranked pairs, Schulze's method, Minimax Condorcet
4. Cardinal methods: Every candidate gets a rating or grade; candidate with highest grade wins. Includes score (highest average), approval, highest median.
5. (Optional) Hybrids: Combine 2 of the above. Includes STAR voting, Smith//Score (can be grouped with Cardinal), Tideman alternative (grouped with sequential?)

Notably, "majoritarian" is an incorrect name, as it applies only to Condorcet methods. Plurality+IRV do not require a majority of the vote.

Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 17:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

This isn't the right place to discuss categories. If you want to rename a category, use WP:CfD. Cheers, Number 57 19:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry if I was unclear; I meant the article should be rewritten to explain the common classification of voting systems, which groups them into these 4 families (which I called categories). Each family should have its own section. This is not related to Wikipedia categories. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 21:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that would work as the list above omits multiple types of elections (where does PR fit into it?). Based on your comments elsewhere, I think you are overcomplicating matters unnecessarily. Number 57 21:43, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

This categorization is only related to single-member elections (PR is a separate class of systems). This is to replace the current "Plurality" and "Majority" categorization shown here.

My main issue with the current taxonomy is "majoritarian" or "majority" are used in voting system literature to refer to Condorcet methods, not to IRV (a variant of plurality). Sometimes "majoritarian" is used to mean single-member (though that's a bit of a misnomer), in which case plurality would count as well. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any source for this being standard? I have not really seen it like this before. Jannikp97 (talk) 07:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll try and find a better (textbook) reference when I'm not on mobile, but here's an example of social choice theorists using it. They use the terms "graded" (for cardinal), "iterative" (for sequential), and "margin" (for round-robin), but the classes are the same. —Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 16:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I found another example of it being used here. Like I said elsewhere, this categorization isn't unique/universal, but it's used in several texts. ("Standard" was the wrong word—"common" would've been better.) –Maximum Limelihood Estimator 02:42, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we should group together the "Core support" systems (FPP, DAC/DSC, IRV) instead? Then the other categories would be majority-rule (Condorcet) and rated voting. –Maximum Limelihood Estimator 21:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)