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Fixing[edit]

fixing some vandalism — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palnu (talk • contribs) 22:42, 12 October 2003 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, vandalising statues is bad ;] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lee M (talk • contribs) 15 January 2004 (UTC)

Does[edit]

Does anyone know the word for a statue that is holding something? I know that there is a special word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.100.194 (talk) 12:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lead Image[edit]

The lead image of this article - The Thinker by Rodin is widely known and is one of the most well known statues in the world. The Venus of Dolní Věstonice while very old is neither well known or a statue. It is a tiny figurine....Modernist (talk) 01:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename please[edit]

The statue at the bottom of the page, named "Asclepius", is not. "Hermes", Greek Messenger-god, is the one with the wings on his sandals, hat, and caudecus. The caudecus of medicine did not traditionally have wings. 76.90.229.237 (talk) 23:13, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done...Modernist (talk) 23:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reference cleanup[edit]

Just did some cleanup on the few existing references. This includes removing the Encyclopedia Brittanica reference, which consisted only of the line "See Encyclopedia Brittanica": no edition, no volume, no page number, not even an article title. That's not a reference. The other two references (to Snopes.com and Straightdope.com) were similarly lazy, consisting of a standard ref template left almost completely blank, with the end result that both "references" appeared in the reflist as "?". Since both of the latter two articles still exist online, I collected the complete info from those sites and completed the ref templates. I also moved the refimprove template from the bottom of the article to the top. 12.233.146.130 (talk) 20:42, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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My dictionary[edit]

Webster's New World College Dictionary2001 defines statue as " the figure of a person or animal, or an imagined or abstract form, carved in stone ." .etc. I am inclined to update the definition in the article and remove the sentence " Its primary concern is representational. "While this is also how I think of the term, the dictionary seems to not support this POV, and in this case, as in most cases, the dictionary should win. Feel free to counter my argument with yours. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Normally before removing a good faith edit[edit]

I discuss it with the editor involved, but with annon editors this does not work, so I'll let you folks be the judges. I cut:

"In Greek Mythology, there is Medusa, a monster who turns people in statues by looking at her."

A check with Robert Graves, my go-to guy for Greek mythology, has the Medusa turning folks to stone, but her head also turns seaweed to corral - which is (opinion) different from "statue." Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How would you cite the Medusa myth,then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.99.201 (talk) 01:33, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would not use it in this article at all. Medusa turned people, and plants into stone, not into statues. Sort of like Lot's Wife - who was a pillar of salt, not a statue. Carptrash (talk) 01:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disagreed,"stone" is kinda unspecific.She turned people(and plant) not into "stone"(exactly)but in representations of them in stone,wich is actually a statue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.99.201 (talk) 01:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graves says ^[1] "he (Perseus) displayed the Gorgon's (Medusa) head, averting his own gaze as he did so, and turned them all into stone: the circle of boulders is still shown in Seriphos." He did not turn them into statues, he turned them into boulders (stones). Now, since I have gone through the trouble of finding and quoting my sources, please present your sources for why you believe he turned them into statues. P.S. Please consider registering as a n editor. I'd much rather talk to a name, even a silly one such as "carptrash" than a number. Carptrash (talk) 02:09, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This specialized website says(in the Perseus part):"Perseus stormed to the palace, walked in and said, "Let all who are my friends shield their eyes!" So saying he raised Medusa's head and Polydectes and his courtiers were changed to statues." and "Perseus went farther north until he found an island surrounded by rocks and statues which used to be men."(link: http://edweb.sdsu.edu/people/bdodge/scaffold/gg/perseus.html). If you want books,it's written in their bibliography section(http://edweb.sdsu.edu/people/bdodge/scaffold/gg/bibliography.html):

Bulfinch, Thomas. Bulfinch's Mythology New York: Modern Library;
Cliffs Notes on Mythology Lincoln, Nebraska: Cliff Notes Inc.;
Evslin, Bernard. Heroes, Gods and Monsters of the Greek Myths New York: Bantam, 1966;
Graves, Robert. The Greek Myths Mt. Kisco, New York: Moyer Bell;
Hamilton, Edith. Mythology New York: Mentor, 1940;
Tripp, Edward. The Meridian Handbook of Classical Mythology New York: Meridian Books;
Morford & Lenardon. Classical Mythology White Plains, New York: Longman Publishers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.99.201 (talk) 02:33, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. You did what I asked, found a reference that calls the stones, "statues." Although I do not really agree with this interpretation (for example the bibliography that you've included lists Graves and I have already read him on the subject, and he just says "stones" and not "statues" as far as I can see. So.... go ahead and put what you had back, but at least proof read it before you do. Or, failing that, put back what you had and I 'll fix the syntax. Carptrash (talk) 02:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Graves, Robert "The Greek Myths:1, Penguin Books, 1978 p.241

I find this sentence to be a bit too vague[edit]

"Some statues gain fame in their own right, separate to the person or concept they represent, as with the Statue of Liberty."
Should that be "separate from the people" or what? Also I'd say that the Statue of Liberty is not separate from the concept that she represents. However no changes until I hear from you. Or until you don't answer. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some general suggestions[edit]

A few things a reader may be interested in:

What are the largest statues in the world? Indoors? Outdoors? (can just mention 3-4)

See this:* List of statues by height...Modernist (talk) 03:40, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know that page, but again this page is all pretty much a picture and link gumbo not a well written article... History2007 (talk) 04:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest statues? It mentions Lion man but hard to see those via captions, may be better as text.

Captions are text...Modernist (talk) 03:40, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but as a reader, the whole thing seems less than structured to me. Needs better organization really. History2007 (talk) 04:23, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Most expensive ever sold at auction? Most expensive - valued?
Most frequent topic? Buddha? Or is it a man on a horse?

There are a few other items:

Challenges in getting the balance right with weight distribution, e.g. ancient Chinese horses standing on two legs etc.
Famous artistic items and how they handled weight distribution, etc.

Surprisingly, other Wikis, e.g. French, German, etc. are also very short on this obvious item.... History2007 (talk) 23:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not quite sure what you are looking for? Should we have the answers to these, and other "obvious" questions, or just present them for the readed to ponder over? Carptrash (talk) 23:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was hoping for answers. I do not have the answers now, but as a reader would have really liked a "systematic" and sourced presentation. I would have also hoped to see some text that shows the development in various cultures, etc. Perhaps a section called statues in far eastern art, then western art, etc. Mention that Islam does not like them, etc. History2007 (talk) 23:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, doing a fast forward, the new thing is to use 3D printing to make statues, e.g. this as a start, but the trend is certainly there to sculpt with computers now... May get a mention if WP:RS is found for it. The days of the chisel may be over... History2007 (talk) 00:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The statue is a particular sub-group of sculpture, which should always be the main article (not that that has many of those details). Johnbod (talk) 02:37, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe that should be the article for improvement tomorrow... History2007 (talk) 04:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest Buddha statue[edit]

Any ideas what the oldest one would be? This sounds unusual, saying the oldest stone one in China was from the year AD 499. This one also thinks the year AD 552 is the oldest they know of... Ideas? History2007 (talk) 13:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do we really need a gallery?[edit]

Wikimedia Commons has a related category and sub-categories. The "modern" statutes that were in the gallery section added nothing educational to this topic beyond what the images of older statutes already provided, and their mere presence in this article was at least slightly promotional, so I removed them.

I recommend removing the gallery section entirely and selectively keeping no more than 1 example of each of the major types of statues that exist, with no more than 3-4 images total in the article. I'm open to having more than 3-4 if the article expands significantly beyond its current size. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:19, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Of course the article needs a gallery. This is a very visual subject, covering a wide range of "types". That is not to say the current images are very well selected or captioned. Johnbod (talk) 13:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If we are to have a gallery (and I do NOT think we need one here), it should conform to Wikipedia:Galleries. Among other things, this means

One rule of thumb to consider: if, due to its content, such a gallery would only lend itself to a title along the lines of "Gallery" or "Images of [insert article title]", as opposed to a more descriptive title, the gallery should either be revamped or moved to the Commons.

and

A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the above paragraph or moved to Wikimedia Commons.

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:19, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding a non-male to the list of preview images[edit]

In an effort to address biases on Wikipedia, the wider internet and in the real world as to the lack of representation of women (or other non-male genders), I would like to add a statue depicting a non-male and sculpted by a non-male among the all men statues currently presented. As such I had added the Harriet Tubman statue by Alison Saar. @Modernist:, I do not understand why you you added my edit to Gallery instead of having it be one of the preview images. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mclovinplasse (talk • contribs) 06:35, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Be advised this is an historical and encyclopedic article, women are included; as are statues from every continent and every era. The current historical lede image should remain in place! An historical article like this one requires an historical lede image. The Saar image has been added in the gallery per chronological timing. Consensus for change is required...Modernist (talk) 12:44, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Modernist: Thank you for your message. Fair representations become all the more important when showcasing lede images. Since, as I understand, you would like the work to be historical I have added The Motherland Calls instead. This certainly is historical and also significant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mclovinplasse (talk • contribs) 18:13, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly you have no consensus for this supposedly politically correct change, if you want to add some feminine statues - by all means add them in place...Modernist (talk) 18:16, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Modernist: Sure, I will get that consensus if you so require. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mclovinplasse (talk • contribs) 18:24, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we don't want a piece of Stalinist propaganda at the top, now least of all. User:Mclovinplasse, please sign your posts. Johnbod (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Turkmenbashi image[edit]

I was asked to put it in the gallery why was this reverted without explanation.185.43.229.61 (talk) 19:30, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article's gallery is in CHRONOLOGICAL order. You simply cannot place this statue wherever you want. In addition we simply do not add every statue in the world...Modernist (talk) 19:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article mentions sculpture that represents persons, that was an image of a real person and there are too many mythological statues on here I didn’t just add it because I wanted too it was for that reason.185.43.229.108 (talk) 19:40, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Who "asked" you, exactly? Johnbod (talk) 19:48, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Robvnthehode asked me to put it in the gallery he said it should go in the gallery.185.43.229.81 (talk) 19:51, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's because you placed it in the lede and they were just being polite. I don't think that statue is needed in the article...Modernist (talk) 20:00, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did indeed say 'put it in the gallery' but previously said 'there are enough example photos' Another editor has stated it is not needed in the article so it shouldn't be put back in unless there is a consensus to do so and you will have to make your case for that here Robynthehode (talk) 22:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Graves, Robert "The Greek Myths:1, Penguin Books, 1978 p.241

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