Talk:Barbara Graham

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NPOV issues[edit]

I've tried to make this article a bit more NPOV. It's worth noting that the Wikipedia article for the movie I Want to Live! calls the movie a "true story". I certainly can't speak to the facts myself, however. Bill 20:23, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The 1958 movie calls the movie a "True Story" during the opening credits. Rklawton 16:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I changed slightly the last phrase, because it suggest a causal relationship between her prostitution and the fact she was convicted.

I had changed murderess to murder (meant to type murderer). I'm thinking of current common usage, such as So I Married an Axe Murderer, a female murderer.--158.81.251.201 19:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Felony Murder Rule[edit]

It would be helpful to have a discussion of the felony murder rule and its potential application to this case. Generally speaking, if she was part of a robbery and burglary that resulted in the death of the homeowner, she was guilty of murder even if she was not involved in the actual killing, and thus potentially liable to receive the death penalty.John Paul Parks (talk) 19:26, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Crimelibrary.com article?[edit]

I noticed that the crimelibrary.com article is not longer available except in Google cache. Too bad: it was a good ten-section story about this person. -- PinkCake 07:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Biased information from anti-death penalty source removed. Tonopah reference removed--article needs a lot of facts pertinent to her criminal act--not information about where she lived. That crimelibrary.com article was a treasure trove of information about this crime, including the events leading up to it and events leading up to her arrest. Consequences2 14:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

another barbara[edit]

I came to this page looking for Barbara Graham, a very outspoken critic of scientology. does a page on her not exist or is something wrong? This seems strange. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.157.180.32 (talk) 14:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to Baxter Shorter?[edit]

The text mentions that Graham was involved with four men in planning the crime but says that three men were with Graham when the victim was murdered. Two of the men were executed and the third testified against the others. That leaves the fourth, Baxter Shorter, unaccounted for. Do any of the specialists in the topic(s) of crime and punishment know what happened to him? Did he opt out and not participate? Thanks. (71.22.47.232 (talk) 22:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Baxter Shorter, a safecracker, was the most skilled criminal of the gang and participated in the robbery. He was later kidnapped in front of his wife and almost certainly murdered by the other men to prevent him from testifying against them in the trial. Barbara Graham told the undercover police officer who later testified against her that "he’s been done away with. I guarantee you he won’t be at the trial."TL36 (talk) 14:42, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted 'Popular Culture' Matter[edit]

I chose to delete a considerable amount from this section, which began with a citation of the Kathleen A. Cairns book, and proceeded for three large paragraphs (and about as many sentences). Since this was major surgery, I felt I should expand a little on my reasons. Basically, the material was not neutral. The Cairns book was praised as "meticulously footnoted and unembellished," while other sources were criticized. The material, in addition, developed into social criticism of the content of sensationalized coverage of the crime. Such material belongs in the references themselves, not in an encyclopedic survey of popular culture relating to the subject. Our task here should be to guide interested parties to the references, not to reproduce their arguments, let alone introduce conclusions drawn from them by the contributor. I cut all this material, replacing it with a short description that I think fairly (if very briefly) represents the content to be found in the Cairns book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donquixote99 (talk • contribs) 03:53, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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