Talk:Liangzhu culture

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Is "Liangzhu jade culture" really the accepted term? Why not just "Liangzhu culture"? I've made that a redirect to here, but I suspect it should be the other way around.

Can someone add a link to Butterfly Lovers, lest someone is looking for that Liangzhu? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShokuMasterLord (talk • contribs) 15:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Lead

Balthazarduju, here's MOS:LEAD:

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It says nothing about only needing to "summarize the confirmed part". Mentioning that Haplogroup O1 has been found makes absolutely no sense to the average reader. It's not the possible Austronesian/Tai-Kadai relationships that qualifies as "significant information", it's the mention of Haplogroup O1. The former is the study's conclusions, the latter is the result of the methodology.

It is also simply not an adequate summary of the actual subsection it was supposed to condense. The study itself explicitly mentions the significance of the O1 occurrence in its own summary - the abstract. We summarize the entire subsection in the lead, not pick and choose only things you agree with. I've written enough articles to know that. No one is even saying it's proven that these were ancestors of the Austronesians and/or Tai peoples, so we're not exactly doing synthesis either.

Neither is it too long or being given undue weight. It's nine more words to a single sentence. So what exactly is it that you're arguing for here? Other than the obvious fact that you apparently need to revert something. Even if it's just a wikilink.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 12:19, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17657509

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/6180520_Y_chromosomes_of_prehistoric_people_along_the_Yangtze_River

http://www.pubfacts.com/detail/17657509/Y-chromosomes-of-prehistoric-people-along-the-Yangtze-River.

http://www.humpopgenfudan.cn/p/E/E3.pdf

Rajmaan (talk) 22:12, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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Binuangan, Chinese records

I have reverted two recent additions to the article:

1. An addition to the end of the "Disappearance" section, suggesting a connection to Binuangan in the Philippines. The Hung et al references only say that Neolithic Philippines jades came from Taiwan. The rest is sourced to a self-published book, which is not a reliable source.
2. A new section "The Liangzhu and Austronesians in Chinese records". The cited sources, Sagart and Pulleyblank, say that the Zhou (not Shang) described a people called Yí 夷 living around Shandong and the lower Huai River in the 1st millennium BCE, i.e. further north and much later than Liangzhu. Although Sagart proposes to link the 夷 with Austronesians, neither author says "sea-faring" or "Liangzhu". The claim of an ancient Yue word for "sea" is odd, since their language is unattested with the possible exception of a song transcribed in Chinese, which does not mention the term. The rest is cited to the same self-published book.

In short, these additions appear to be original research. Kanguole 09:14, 11 February 2021 (UTC)