Talk:Murray Hill, Manhattan

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Naming[edit]

Or should this be Murray Hill, New York City? Either form seems reasonable...

Well... there are certain districts (like Chinatown and Koreatown) for which the "XXX, Manhattan" name would be more convenient, since there are instances in both Manhattan and other boroughs. In any case I've renamed some (yet-to-be-done) neighborhood links in the Manhattan node using your convention. Sounds good for now. -k.lee

If anyone really knows all the NYC neighborhoods well it might be worthwhile to standardize a format. I think most viewers are either residents or, like me, prospective residents. A standard box showing neighborhood borders, subway and bus service, etc. would be appreciated in addition to history sections. Wish I knew enough to help with that though. --Mister Tattle 01:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

How about some information about the actual neighborhood itself, instead of the history of the family for whom it's named? --Michael J. West

All of these sound like good ideas...I can try to put a bit together on Murray Hill as I have some forty years familiarity with the area, but I don't have a lot on other neighborhoods in Manhattan. Doc 03:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Telephone exchange[edit]

The general explanation of how alphanumeric telephone numbers worked is out of place here, mainly because it belongs in an article about the history of telephone service. Moreover, the "MUrray Hill" exchange name isn't the best example; those unfamiliar with old number formats might think the "H" had to be worked into the number also.Pithecanthropus (talk) 06:57, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bold text== Who's a New Yorker? ==

Since the late 1990s, however, many professional New Yorkers in their twenties and thirties have begun to move into the area.

How are these people New Yorker's? Because they moved from another state, maybe went to college in the area and decided to stay? That's very lenient to say who's a New Yorker. This implies that New Yorker's, from either other boroughs or the metropolitan area moved into Murray Hill. Maybe that's true for a few people, but the majority, like anywhere else in lower Manhattan or Mid-Town, is predominantly of young profession out-of-state born white American's and wealthy foreigners. I'll be revising this to say out of state born. According to the U.S. Census, within U.S. citizens, 62 percent of residents in Manhattan were born in the state of New York. Above 96th street consists of half of Manhattan's probably. It's probably about 80-85 percent native there, while it's about 35-40 below, which includes Murray Hill. TomNyj0127 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Your own municipal leaders seem to disagree with you. Who said you have to be a native? If you've been there long enough to say you live there, you can call yourself a New Yorker or Angeleno or what have you. I do recognize that the question of "how long is long enough?", in itself, can be a contentious other issue. Yet I'm sure most people would concede that moving somewhere for college and then staying on at least a few years would be sufficient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pithecanthropus (talk • contribs) 01:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Near the end of Midnight Cowboy Joe is asked where he's from and he replies in his longest Texas drawl, "Nyeew Yorrk". And he's right. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:59, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Supposedly disruptive changes[edit]

@Beyond My Ken: Can you please explain why you described this edit as disruptive? I don't see any blatantly unconstructive edits in that revision. All I did was add a reference, shift some sentences in the "20th Century" section so that we don't have a list of structures in the middle of the section describing the subject's history, moved some further reading links to the references section, and formatted the "Diplomatic missions" sections for extra spaces. Are there other, flagrant issues with this addition? Epicgenius (talk) 00:08, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(Don't ping me, it's turned off) I never used the word "disruptive", so your question is based on a fallacy. BMK (talk) 00:24, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You have described my other recent edits as disruptive and "fucking up the layout" (your words, not mine). You reverted about 50 of my edits in the past two days without much explanation other than a chiding on my talk page. Meanwhile, I'd simply like to know why my additions to this page (and to others) have been reverted. Is it because of an actual layout issue, or is it because you actually see a factual error in my additions? Epicgenius (talk) 00:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This is the page to discuss the Murray Hill article, not for general discussion. BMK (talk) 00:45, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not asking for general discussion. To rephrase the above: Why did you undo my additions to this article? Epicgenius (talk) 01:46, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Because they did not improve the article. BMK (talk) 01:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would still like to know how they were not improvements. Is the addition untruthful in some way, or stylistically messed up? In any case, it's unclear how I did not improve the article, given that I added sources and content concurrent with said sources.

BTW, my edit didn't introduce an Asian POV. The sentence about Curry Hill is the same length as before. Epicgenius (talk) 02:05, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But you moved to to an inappropriately prominent place. BMK (talk) 02:15, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It was simply in chronological order. Epicgenius (talk) 02:22, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? BMK (talk) 02:24, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For the 20th Century section: Basically, "For much of the 20th century, the neighborhood was a quiet and rather formal place, with many wealthy older residents. [But since the late] 1970s, the area gained the nickname "Curry Hill," [and] since the late 1990s, many young people in their twenties have moved to the area from the suburbs of New York." In other words: first, it was a quiet area. Then, many South Asians set up shop there. Finally, young professionals started moving here. Is that more clear? Epicgenius (talk) 22:21, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For hopefully the last time, Murray Hill has never been called "Curry Hill", because the area lightly known as "Curry Hill" (a joking reference to the form of the name "Murray Hill") is not located in Murray Hill. BMK (talk) 22:45, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK... (On a pedantic note: What last time? I don't recall you ever saying this. If you meant "only", say "only". "Last" is for two or more times.) Epicgenius (talk) 23:31, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Why not a map?[edit]

Could anyone please post a map of this borrough, marking the location in NYC? Thank you in advance, Matteo --151.42.188.220 (talk) 18:37, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article suggestion: Murray farm[edit]

Feels like an article candidate: Murray Farm, aka Inclenberg. Distinct from the Murray Farm in Tennessee.

Photograph shows of a plaque on a wall. It reads, "This tablet marks the geographic center of the farm known in Revolutionary days as 'Inclenberg,' owned by Robert Murray whose wife, Mary Lindley Murray (1726-1782), rendered signal service in the Revolutionary War. Erected by Mary Murray Chapter Daughters of The American Revolution 1926".

Source: Library of Congress: [Plaque marking the location of a Revolutionary farm] photograph of original plaque that was replaced with this one in 1994 here's another pic of the areplacement plaque.

I don't know where to find property maps from the 1750s--but would love to find out! --CmdrDan (talk) 18:57, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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