Talk:Stanisław Koniecpolski

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Sorry, zapomnialem go wstawic nizej.--Emax 13:27, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Request

To any English native speaker, to proofread the article and improve the language. Tnx. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:21, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I have done this. Hope this helps! Also, I've resubmitted to peer review. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:31, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I am submitting it to FAC now. Tnx for your input. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 12:38, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Carification requests

A few weeks ago I put in a citation request here for "and on 8 June the Treaty of Kurukove was reinstated." It was answered by this book ref [1]. Radek, I believe you inserted that ref to support the clause, could you clarify how the book ref supports the citation request. I don't see June 8 mentioned in this context or Serhii Plokhy describing it as a reinstatement of the earlier treaty. Novickas (talk) 00:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Did you put in a citation request for that? The history here indicates that the citation was there (I can't remember if I'm the one who added it) before you became active on the article. Anyway, I'll look into it.radek (talk) 00:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yup. Checking the history, [2], what you actually made a citation request for was the next sentence in the same paragraph.radek (talk) 00:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I was referring to this edit [3], where you inserted the Plohky ref immediately following the sentences "Koniecpolski laid siege to Pereyaslav, but lacking the support of artillery and infantry, he could not break its walls. The Cossacks, lacking supplies, agreed to negotiations, and on 8 June the Treaty of Kurukove was reinstated." The June 8th treaty date had been in the article a long time. It's better now, and since it no longer has a statement disagreeing with Subtelny, you could remove "According to Subtelny".

The sentences "...and captured the fortress of Korsun. Koniecpolski laid siege to Pereyaslav, but lacking the support of artillery and infantry, he could not break its walls. The Cossacks, lacking supplies, agreed to negotiations." are now unreferenced. The last one is somewhat at odds with Plokhy here [4] where he states "After protracted engagements between Polish and Cossack forces, a treaty that amounted to a de facto Cossack victory was signed at Pereiaslav in May 1630, increasing the register to 8,000 men." and here [5]: "S.K...badly defeated in heavy fighting at nearby Pereiaslav. The Poles were forced to sue for peace." Novickas (talk) 12:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Right, I probably meant to reference the first sentence and first part of second (siege, could not break its walls, Cossacks lacking suppliesetc.) I think it's fine now. I've noticed the discrepancy with the other sources in how the outcome is described. Will look into it in more detail shortly.radek (talk) 12:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

A Plokhy ref is also being used to support the sentence "In 1630 Taras executed Hryhoriy Chorny, who opposed the uprising." But Plokhy says "Chorny was seized by the Zaporozhians and executed", no mention of Taras [6] and Subtelny says "...early in 1630, a group of Zaporozhians abducted him to the Sich where he was tried and executed. The Zaporozhians and nonregistered Cossacks now elected the daring Taras..." [7] Novickas (talk) 13:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Mil hist project assessment

As per a request on WP:MHA I have completed the checklist on the mil hist banner. I have rated it as a Start class article (please note the project banner does not support C class). The reason for this is the large number of citation needed tags means that it cannot pass criterion B1 (referencing). Also there are a number clarification tags (e.g. Which? and Who? etc.) hence I don't feel that I can pass it for criterion B2 (Coverage and Accuracy). The start class assessment is unfortunate, as I believe that the article is generally of a good standard and as such I ask contributors to not take the rating too personally. Once these issues have been address, you might like to consider requesting another mil hist assessment. This can be done by going to WP:MHA and adding the article to the list. Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 15:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

As I mentioned in the FARC discussion, I don't think I'll have time (and sources) to work on this till XMAS. At that point I should be able to add the missing refs and clarify the remaining issues. Do note that anybody with access to Podhorodecki's book could do this. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Stanisław Koniecpolski/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:15, 5 March 2011 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   Capitalize Field Marshal and Battle of ...

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

   Books need place of publication

   Why is there an m-dash in the page numbers for a lot of the books? One example is cite 25. And why are they pp.? Locations should be available for the books that don't have one by going to the picture of the cover and going forward a page or two. I tested it on cite 91 and should work on most of the remaining books. It doesn't matter here, but you'll need to capitalize your titles according to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Composition_titles for the ACR.

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   Disambiguate Porta. I think you mean the Sublime Porte, but check.

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

1. Capitalizations: done.
2. Cite book implemented, added locations where I could find them.
3. Yes, I meant Porte (Polish is Porte)

Do let me know what else can be fixed! (Next step, I will submit it for MILHIST A-class review) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Pages standardized (pp. for multiple pages, p. for single pages). I also added few more of the (useless...) locations. Can you point me to the policy that makes book locations a requirement in GA/FA process? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 04:39, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Cite#Citation_styles_and_consistency says that locations are optional so feel free not to add any more. However, most every academic citation style I've used requires them, so people may tell you to add them at FAC or ACR because that's what they're used to seeing. I'll look over your changes tomorrow; it's time for bed.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 08:16, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:04, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Stutter, lisp, both?

Near the start of the article it says he had a stutter, near the end, a lisp. Is it one or both? If both, it might make more sense to mention them both in the same place. (Hohum ^@) 19:09, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Good catch. I am pretty sure it was stutter, and correct it as so. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:07, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

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