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The only "paradoxical" thing is this article[edit]

The article displays the usual western bias about that everything in DPRK is an absolute totalitarian sham and absolutely anything that happens is a centrally controlled fake - yet at the same time promotes that the Social Democratic Party calls for multi-candidate elections and better minority rights and so "doesn't actually always support the government". Which one is it? It's a total fake or it has legitimate critisicism? Make the US propagandist make up their minds. --181.26.41.141 (talk) 19:31, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

This article mentions nothing about the fact that it is a prop of the North Korean totalitarian dictatorship and is little more than a puppet organization. It is NOT "democratic." --Sesel 19:01, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"democratic" is part of the name of the party, you can't deny that!!!

KDP was not a puppet from the beginning, but now it actually is. I removed NPOV template and added a few history bits.. And, who wants to hear opinion from some Anonymous? -- Caffelice 11:10, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

"out of the masses’ anti-imperialist, anti-feudal aspirations and demands" is typical pap that comes from North Korea. This article is propaganda.

Social Democratic Party was formerly called Democratic Party, it changed its name in 1990s. (See broadleft.org)

Why does it have to be merged though? you guys want to merge the democratic party of sk and social democratic party of nk? they're not even allies... -kichul chen

The proposed merger tag has been here for ages and is trying to merge two entirely different political parties, so I'm going to remove it.--82.45.163.18 21:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found the name of the current (as of January 2007) leader of the KSDP in the news from the DPRK this morning so I thought I'd add it in. kev. 11:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The last line, "North Korea, while claiming to be communist and therefore democratic, is actually a single-party dictatorship, in which the Social Democratic Party has no real influence" is biased. It states as fact that North Korea that North Korea isn't communist, or tries to imply that communists reject it. This sounds like a commie (I'm also one, BTW) trying to save face. However, what counts as communist or socialist is a very controversial subject among communists and socialists. The important information - that the Social Democratic Party has no real power - should be included somewhere above in the rest of the article. -MQDuck 14:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a proposion of how the fix the last line.

"Most people claim that the party has no real influence over politics in North Korea." --Jonte-- 20:02, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, for what it's worth, I don't have a problem with your proposal Jonte. As for what or who is or is not communist at least as of the 1980s-1990s Kim Il Sung never claimed that they were communists. They were trying for it, but multiple references to moves for 'capturing and occupying the material and ideological fortress of communism...' in volume 8 of the English edition of the Selected Works; indicate that he believed they were still in the transitional socialist period and had not achieved the principle of 'each according to his ability, to each according to his needs....' kev. 10:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"the masses’ anti-imperialist, anti-feudal aspirations and demands to eliminate the aftermath of Japanese imperialist military rule and build a new democratic society." this sounds like it is written by the North Korean news agency. What is the actual role of the party, since obviously NK isn't your standard multi-party democracy?/Marxmax 13:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to start a big thing here but IMHO we could use a couple of citations for some of the things in this little article. kev. 10:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also remember reading something about the Worker's Party being formed by a merger between the Democratic Party and the Communist Party back before the war (the one with the UN not the one with the Japanese). I'll have to look it up again when I get the chance. I just bring that up because of the last line in the first paragraph. From what I remember neither the Communist nor the Democratic parties kept a separate identity after the merger so I'm wondering if the Democratic Party referenced in this article (before the 1980s name change) is somehow linked to--or a continuation of--that Democratic Party that merged with the C.P. or if it's a different entity? Again, I'll have to go back and find the articles about the merger and re-read them again. kev. 10:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More and better sources[edit]

This entire article is based on North Korean goverment sites - like the claim it was founded "by medium and small entrepreneurs, merchants, handicraftsmen, petit-bourgeoisie, some peasants, and Christians," (exact copy paste from http://www.korea-dpr.com). That this is a puppet party is obvious, but since the allways fascinated me - like their history. I would love some real facts in to this article. And ofcourse less based on North Korean propaganda. 213.89.254.144 (talk) 08:13, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedia of Korean Culture quotation[edit]

As requested, the quote is:

1948년 5월 10일의 제헌의원선거에 조선민주당측에서 부당수인 이윤영을 비롯하여 5명이 출마하였으나 이윤영만이 서울 종로갑구에서 당선되었다

The English version is: In the Constituent Assembly election on 10 May 1948 five candidates from the Korean Democratic Party were running, but only Yi Yun-yong was elected in Jongno District in Seoul. Number 5 7 19:57, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsourced electoral results[edit]

@Glide08: what is the source for the electoral results you added? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They appear to be largely taken from the individual election article's results tables, which are sourced. However, the 1948 South Korean parliamentary election result (1 seat) is not in that article. Number 5 7 16:24, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On a separate note, Korean Wikipedia has separate articles on the North and South Korean parties (North Korean, South Korean). I wonder whether they are worth splitting here too. Number 5 7 16:34, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Social democracy, or socialism?[edit]

The KSDP has put out a commentary on their website which reads (in part): "Under the socialist system, state sovereignty and the means of production are in the hands of the working masses. Therefore, all policies are implemented in accordance with the interests of the people. The material and cultural wealth created will be distributed to the people. [...] Our country's socialist system is the most superior social system in the world. [...] All party members must retain the pride and self-esteem that our socialist system is the best and must further promote the superiority and power of our style of socialism." This... Doesn't really sound anything like social democracy, no matter how you spin it. Update ideology section maybe? Azurescapegoat (talk) 23:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's surprising that the KSDP, whose existence is at the whim of the WPK, is praising the political and economic system put in place by the WPK. The commentary is not about their own beliefs, which is intentionally kept vague in both Korean and English publications. Regardless, the claim of "nominal social democracy" is unsourced in this article, so I am removing it. Yue🌙 03:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]