Talk:Nambaryn Enkhbayar

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Name of article[edit]

I moved this page from Nambaryn Enhbayar because this other version seems to be more common (according to Google, anyway). It's also the version used on the official site, [1]. I don't have any strong views on the matter, though, so if there's a good reason, I wouldn't oppose moving it back. - Vardion 14:14, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC) [from a concerned surfer]why do you let people change anything? I mean, anyone can write anything about...well anything and people may get the wrong info.I need information for a school report and I don't even know if I'm getting the correct information. This is the only website I've seen with the information I need and I don't even know if this stuff is true. You should do something about this issue, really.

This is quite a weak biography and needs major overhaul. --The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. (talk) 19:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Biased article[edit]

I think most of the article is true; meaning I don't support Enhbayar. However, this articles is far from fair to Mr. Enhbayar. But I really enjoyed reading it anyway, and I laughed out loud!

Unfortunately this is the case for the articles of several mongolian politicians, but it seems the reasonable editors always have too little time at hand to keep things in balance. There's a lot of information listed that may or may not be true, but is clearly WP:V unverifiable. We'll have to change that. --Latebird 17:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the opinionated information from the article and generally cleaned it up. Academic Challenger 08:03, 13 April 20.,xcmv.,cxmv.,mxcz.v,mcx.,vmcx.,vm/.c,xmv/.z,xc06 (UTC)

We can't delete facts[edit]

It is not right to delete facts in the name of bias. Does bias mean not to contain facts because it is negative? Why can't we help to set another advanced tradition of showing everything as it is rather than old time censorship using this wonderful technology era.

I believe that wikipedia is a platform where people can contribute for accuracy of any information rather than threatening their disliked people to stop writing and editing.

Lemonhead 22:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted again. How important is this political scientist who thinks that Mongolia might turn into a kingdom? I doubt that this is a major theory. Academic Challenger 01:31, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will revert again. According to conservative Mongolians worldwide in Tsahim Urtuu as well as Mongolian newspapers, political scientist D.Gankhuyag is the most conservative neutral political scientist in Mongolia. According to Tsahimurtuu D.Gankhuyag was a professor at Mongolia's former MPRP Party University during socialist time and which changed into Public Policy Academy in 1990s after democratic revolution. According to his article, D.Gankhuyag was invited to work in Enkhbayar's government, and he saw everything by his own eyes, he openly criticized Enkhbayar's wrongdoing and therefore, he was fired and frequently chased by police and being called to the court as well as wherever he is employed, suddenly Enkhbayar's people administer the administration of the organization to scrutinize D.Gankhuyag's every move. D.Gankhuyag was cleared from all lawsuits against him from Enkhbayar for defamation in court. About Enkhbayar's move to turn MOngolia into kingdom is not just D.Gankhuyag's thought. It is everwhere in the newspapers in Mongolian language and there are lots of activities and actions going on to prepare for that in Mongolia such as as many newspaper article written by Enkhbayar's people to persuade and brainwash Mongolians to make the believe presidential country is better than parliamentary country and he himself already posed as a last king of Mongolia. Also MPRP members at the parliament are drafting bills to change the parliamentary status into presidential status and many forums, polls are taking place in Mongolia since June 2005.

I will try to collect as much links as possible so you can see. However, please don't delete facts rather why don't you edit whatever you consider NPOV for the formatting since you are far better formatter than me for that, Academic Challenger?

Lemonhead 18:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I have posted my compromise version. All comments are welcome. Academic Challenger 21:47, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You did a great job for editing the article. Thank you. Lemonhead 22:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Enkhbayar did not work for the Writers' Union, but for the Translators' Union.[edit]

This is a minor mistake which was copied into other Wikipedias, including Mongolian and Russian. Please correct this fact.--GenuineMongol (talk) 07:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you point us to a reliable source to substantiate this? The current version is supported eg. here. --Latebird (talk) 09:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Mongolian Government seems to think he worked for both organizations. --Latebird (talk) 10:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2008 riots[edit]

I have rewritten the section as I think it was not very clear how much of the text related to Mr. Enkhbayar, and after someone had put up an "unclear" tag. It would be nice to have some example for criticism directed against Enkhbayar himself. I do not think one interview in which Enkhbayar does not even seem to be mentioned is a good source for how Enkhbayar's role in the riots is perceived in Mongolia. It could, however, be a good source for the article about the riots themselves.

Yaan (talk) 10:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the part of the interview again, because I still think Enkhbayar is not mentioned in it and so it seems not so relevant here. I also think that midnight is no especially unnormal time to announce a state of emergency, especially when in Mongolia there are so far no times that are more usual. If this is a major point of criticism, it needs to be sourced. Yaan (talk) 09:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2009 election[edit]

I have removed the following sentence from the section about the 2009 elections: "However, it is widely believed that the official results of the election were altered by Elbegdorj's people inside the government to let Elbegdorj win."

The reasons (though not properly stated in the edit summary) were:

- allegations of vote rigging have been brought forward (by both the winning and the losing side!) after the 2004 elections as well as after those of 2008. I believe this is important context, and it was absent from the section.

- the sentence is rather vague: who believes, how could they have changed the official results?

I think this kind of statement should also have a proper source, or at least a few good samples of what is meant by "widely" believed.

Yaan (talk) 22:34, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who is adding all these mongolian script names?[edit]

Who is adding all these mongolian script names? They're written wrong. Enkhbayar should be written as "e-ng-khe-ba-ya-r"  --chinneeb-talk 06:48, 7 March 2012 (UTC) It seems some were added by an IP editor last summer. Yaan (talk) 21:33, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

arrest[edit]

I think the current section is too long. No-one is going to be willing to go through it. What I think is important is:

1. He was arrested on corruption charges related to the Urgoo hotel etc.
2. He has released or said he will release classified documents about the post-Juli 1st meetings of Mongolia's party leaders.

Also, I think the article does not yet make clear Enkhbayar's current party affiliation (still MPRP, but not the same MPRP as in 2009). Yaan (talk) 09:30, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV again[edit]

Portions of this article are very clearly written from Nambar's version of events (the masked cops, etc.). We need a serious cleanup here. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:13, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We seem to have a slow burning edit war. I'm prepared to compromise, however the conviction on corruption charges is well sourced, and so far there has been no explanation why this content was removed. Otherwise, a victory in an election shouldn't be presented as "shepherded the party through a triumphant return" which is editorialising. Also, if we are including his election victories, obviously we need to include his defeats as well. PhilKnight (talk) 09:14, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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