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2004/5 posts[edit]

As the government slogan goes - a lot done - more to do. --CGorman 21:07, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

What needs added at this stage? zoney ♣ talk 00:06, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I don't know... choosing 'Junior Cert' for the week does'nt look like it was such a good idea any more - theres noting to really add (compared to last weeks Geography of Ireland) - I suppose extension/addition of drink culture, results, media, drop-out rates, course info, etc may give us some room to develop the article - as my English teacher used to say of us "Its like trying to get blood out of a turnip!" --CGorman 20:04, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Or cash from an Enniscorthy man :-) JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 18:52, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It has to be said that the article has grown, but the Criticisms section is clearly going to fail the weasle words paper; who are these 'many people'? BTW, I think that a bit more work on Geography of Ireland will bring it up to FAC standard if anyone is interested in helping. Filiocht 07:55, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

the Criticisms section is clearly going to fail the weasle words paper - im sorry, I was in a bit of a hurry when I added that, I'll rewrite and expand it ASAP --CGorman 17:26, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think we could create an article "List of optional subjects of the Junior Certificate" or something similar to rid us of that list? Just list compulsory subjects and broad overview. Djegan 14:05, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To Do List[edit]

Expand After the Exam to include more about dropouts, apprenticeships, discos, drink...
Perhaps get a photo of a typical teenager with a caption about the age at which the exam is sat, or a picture of a school.
Back up and expand Criticism section.
Expand the Grading
Create pages for the red links in Subjects available
Perhaps reorganise Subjects available to look more visually appealing.
Elaborate on 1st year, 2nd year and 3rd year within The Courses.
~~Add information on Transition Year to After the Exam.~~
Add a short history section dealing with changes over the last few years, e.g. in 2004 students could access their results online for the first time, this facilitated students who changed schools or dropped out...

The appeals procedure is currently dealt with twice. Perhaps everything to do with marking, grading, and appeals should go into the "After the Exam" section? -- Picapica 20:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Typewriting!?[edit]

Is this still actually on the curriculum? And more importantly, do any schools even do the subject any more? I never heard of it as a Junio Cert subject, nor did it appear on the Junior Cert exam timetable of 2000 --Zilog Jones 23:12, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Typewriting is indeed a subject on the Junior Cert. I just did mine this year and it was timetabled aswell as on the departments subject forms. Not many schools seem to actually teach it though, my school (for example) doesn't teach it and discouraged students from doing it because of that. - No user name - 15 September 2005

I'll hopefully be doing it for my JC. Best subject ever. JOHN COLLISON (An Liúdr amán) 19:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to do Typewriting as a J.C subject but my school doesn't do it. Also, I'm just finishing 2nd year now so I think it might be too late to start anyway, even if I can/could — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.178 (talk) 18:48, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Geography and history[edit]

Are these subjects mandatory? I was under the impression it was just English, Irish and Maths. 83.147.171.12 15:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on the school. I will update the page accordingly. Djegan 16:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I was thinking. Surely the list should only be actual Department-mandatory subjects. Ludraman 17:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is really quite complicated as their are different mandatory subjects for different types of schools (community, voluntary, vocational all vary) which makes it difficult to summarise on the page. For instance vocational school or community college student must choose from Technical Graphics or Art, Craft and Design or Home Economics or Business Studies - this specific range would not be mandatory on other schools (unless they were the only ones available). Thats why I have grouped them into the basic compulsory and treated all others as optional with the basic reference in the paragraph that it varies. Djegan 20:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but that's all concerning specific schools. The only 'real' mandatory subjects- i.e. those which are a mandatory part of doing the Junior Cert according to SEI, are English, Irish and Maths. Ludraman 17:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thats correct, only English, Irish and Maths are mandatory for all (indeed Irish is subject to limited exemption). If you want to make changes then by all means propose. Djegan 18:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CSPE is also mandatory for everybody, I think. Also, some schools have other subjects mandatory other than English, Irish, Maths and CSPE e.g Geography, History, Science or more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.178 (talk) 18:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism and Controversy[edit]

This section reeks of political correctness. I probably sound like an old fusspot here, looking back through rose-tinted spectacles, but when I was in school we just got on with it... Anyway, this section badly needs citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.3.50.254 (talk) 08:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; it reads as if it was written by some indignant fourteen-year-old. I'll attempt to clean this up at some stage - any useful citations would be appreciated. Some of the criticisms could also be incorporated into the article on the Leaving Certificate. --78.16.91.92 (talk) 03:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GCSE Equivalent[edit]

Is the Junior Certificate truly the Irish equivalent of the GCSE? Miel et Soufre (talk) 22:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nooooo not at all. I'd say the Leaving Cert is...but GSCE has the A levels with it...so the leaving cert would probably be the GCSE and A levels combined —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.182.107 (talk) 14:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

It looks to me like Junior Cycle is a WP:CONTENTFORK of this article. Should it be merged into this article?

(Notifying some of the editors who contributed higher percentages of the page(s) or edited them in the last year: Nua eire, Djegan, Jnestorius, CGorman~enwiki, Keelan, Sheila1988, LaVozSA.) Normal Op (talk) 19:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would be inclined to agree with merging the two articles on the basis that there is not much difference between the two systems at this point in time, considering they are being run concurrently in schools. Keelan • Talk | Contribs 20:07, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it makes sense to merge them too. I think notionally the Junior Cycle is a broader form of assessment than the Junior Certificate, but in the minds of most people they are almost interchangeable. David Malone (talk) 08:09, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 14:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]