Talk:Henry Tandey

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Above it says Wikipedia hasn't got a page called Henry Tandey, if not then how come there is a picture a write up about him ???

Well, it does now. You might be confusing the talk page for the article. Don't forget to sign your comments. Do that by typing ~~~~. Dysprosia 05:43, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Now how do I link the entry for Henry Tandy on page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Victoria_Cross_recipients_by_Name_-_T to the article and photo of him please. Richard Harvey 05:50, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[[List of Victoria Cross recipients by Name - T]]. Tandey's image probably doesn't need to be on that page, a link here with the picture is fine. Dysprosia 05:53, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sorry I may have got my request mixed up, I only wanted to link the page not put the image on it, as originally when you clicked on it it said there was no page called Henry Tandey. It's fine now thanks. is it also possible to edit the info box that is on the Duke of Wellingtons page, specifically the item marked 'Official name' as I think it needs putting below the Regimental Cap Badge. Richard Harvey 06:01, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This article should mention this: http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/tandey.htm A2Kafir 18:32, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Tandey & Hitler[edit]

This series of events is an 'Urban Myth'. I have therefore deleted the section in its entirety.

The German Bundesarchive, quoted by Lt Col N D McIntosh (Green Howards) in a letter dated 23 Oct 97 states:

"The 16th Bavarian Reserve Infantry Regiment was transferred on 17th Sept 1918 from...Favreuil - Bapaum sector..... to Wyschaete area..... Hitler, however, did not move with his unit. He had home leave from 10th to 27th Sep 1918 and because of this it is probable that he was still on his way back to his regiment on the 28th Sept."

McIntosh goes on to say - "On examining a map of the Western Front it was soon apparent that Hitler's regiment, whether he was with it or not, was deployed approximately 50 miles North of Marcoing and the 5th Bn The DoW Regt"

With regard to the 'Painting' of which a photo was requested from his 'Old Regiment' by Hitler. Had it been a factual event, Hitler would have been directed to the Duke of Wellington's Regiment, with whom Tandey served at that time. The Duke of Wellington's Regiment do not have such a painting. There is however a painting in the Green Howards Museum, commissioned by them from Fortunino Matania, a first world war artist working for the Ministry of propaganda, which depicts a Green Howards soldier carrying a wounded comrade, on his back, to the First Aid Post at the Menin Cross Roads, or Peit Kruiseeke, during this battle." There is also no concrete proof that a photo of the painting was found in any of Hitler's buildings.

However as Tandey was not in the Green Howards regiment at the time it would not be him on the painting. This has given rise to the myth perpetuated by the firstworldwar.com website. Additionally the British government did not give copies of its soldiers service records to 'Foreign', or otherwise, powers between the wars or after it. Richard Harvey (talk) 15:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you any references to support the above? Kernel Saunters (talk) 16:07, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Which specific aspect concerns you? References can be provided, but it takes time and cost money to reproduce letters etc. There is a copy of the original 1940 News Media story from the 'Cub' in the Tandey file folder in the Halifax Headquarters of the Duke of Wellington's Headquarters in Halifax. John Spencer, Curator of the DoW Museum in Halifax, can confirm the details regarding Tandey's Medals and History. NB: I am an Archivist and Regimental Photographer for both the Duke of Wellington's Regiment and the Yorkshire Regiment, which now includes both the Green Howards and the Duke of Wellington's regiments, so I would not even contemplate providing incorrect data. You can see from the edit histories of the Yorkshire Regiment, The Duke of Wellington's Regiment, 33rd Regiment of Foot, 76th Regiment of Foot and looking at the uploader details for the images on those article that I do provide correct and verified info only after I am satisfied it is correct. NB: you don't get close enough to take a posed photo of Richard Dannatt without being the official photographer. However if you just want a confirmation of the fallacy of the Tandy / Hitler connection then contact The Chief Clerk of the Yorkshire Regiment at Tower Street in York. You will note that I have also just updated the article with a considerable amount of dates and service information, from a copy of Tandeys MoD service record.

With regard to the painting, note this information from the firstworldwar.com website, that was given as a reference:-

One crucial aspect of the event which historians have overlooked is the fact that Adolf Hitler and Henry Tandy both fought at the Battle of Ypres in 1914, a far more significant event in the life of Hitler. He distinguished himself in combat several times and saved the life of a seriously wounded officer, his heroism resulted in him being promoted to Lance Corporal.

The famous picture by Matania depicting Tandy carrying a wounded comrade to the first aid station at the Menin Cross Roads was painted based on that battle not Marcoing. It's possible that places got mixed up, it may well have been Ypres not Marcoing where Hitler and Tandey crossed paths and parted on amicable terms.

Now why would a regiment (The Green Howards) commission an expensive painting depicting Pte Tandey in Ypres in 1914, carrying a wounded man? The battle of Ypres took place from 19 October to 22 November 1914. Tandy's service record shows he arrived in France on 5 October 1914 and served there until 24 Oct 1916, before moving back to the UK on home service with the 3rd Bn GH. It was not until 1918, whilst serving in the 5th Bn DoW, that he performed the actions leading to him receiving the VC, DCM & MM and not until March 1919, whilst serving with the 3rd Bn of the DoW (Home Service Bn) that he was promoted to Acting Lance Corporal (U/A/L/Cpl) having the authority of a L/Cpl, but with the same pay as a Private soldier. Richard Harvey (talk) 02:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've re-added that section and added a source for it. Umbralcorax (talk) 17:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As an archivist for the regiment in which Tandey served I am aware this is an Urban Myth and have therefore deleted the section again. This is a story that over time has become more elaborated and is something of an embarrasment. One of the inconsistencies (there are many) from the telegraph article states Tandey led an attack on Hitlers Platoon! To start with a Pte soldier does not lead a platoon on anything, and how would anyone know who was in any platoon at any time! May I suggest before you feel inclined to replace it that you first contact the Regimental Chief Clerk for confirmation as stated above.Richard Harvey (talk) 18:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As it is a relatively famous myth by now, could you provide some reliable information with sources that it is a myth? --Ukas (talk) 01:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC) edit: Meaning: and add it into the article? --Ukas (talk) 01:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes please, add something to the article and explain that it is a myth. It's to sad to find the information I was looking for in the discussion-site and not in the article. Greetings from Germany --217.232.105.135 (talk) 03:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The idea that you feel the Tandey/Hitler incident to be "elaborated and is something of an embarrassment" is irrelevant on an articles addition. If you feel that this incident is "false" or "inaccurate" then post the evidence in saying so, but do post the story for it is now a popular story. I came to this article in wanting to see what Wikipedia had to say on the issue after hearing the supposed incident on the History Channel. Although they as well deemed it as probably "false", they still felt compelled to report the claim as should Wikipedia since the stories legendary status is growing as a cause for WW2. Hitler deemed this incident as one of the reasons he felt compelled to conquer a planet. Regardless of whether the incident was true, Hitler "saying it happened" is fact, thus a mention of Hitlers "accusation" should be noted. Don't report that this incident happened, report that Hitler "claimed" it happened. Cheers. 99.12.85.107 (talk) 03:19, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Integrating the history channel version of things might help a little bit...

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/british-soldier-allegedly-spares-the-life-of-an-injured-adolf-hitler 97.90.193.222 (talk) 16:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reinstating Hitler incident[edit]

This incident is far too well known to not be mentioned here. It's veracity may be doubted and that should be recorded, but it should be given due notice here regardless. The website http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/tandey.htm is well referenced and convincing. user: Richard Harvey is rightly sceptical, but deletion of the entire section and blanking any mention of the reported incident based on his Original research (see Wikipedia:No original research) and without sources is not the way to go. I have reinstated a cut down section on the incident. I will add, where appropriate, to insure it is recorded as being doubted (but not disproven).Gaius Octavius Princeps (talk) 18:58, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: the History Channel put out a series called The World Wars(2014) showing the Hitler incident. They show Hitler being dazed and without a rifle standing on the battlefield. What has me concerned about this section is the lack of any confirmation from Tandey. One would think a "sadly I let'em go" or "not me" would have been mentioned in the decades after the war. From what I read it seems strange this would not had been proven and not portrayed so wishy-washy.Septagram (talk) 22:24, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-up[edit]

I'm in agreement with the reinstating of this section but I believe the latter portion sounds a little like drivel and is extremely hard to follow. It displays elements of poor grammar and are little more than a collection of points rather than cohesive and flowing sentences. I'm suggesting that this is reviewed and altered accordingly by someone who may have some knowledge on the subject to prevent any unintentional changing of any facts.

Thoughts? --Jay 1327 (talk) 23:09, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Tandey's Medals[edit]

I Believe that Henry Tandey's Medals are incorrectly displayed in this article as he received the Defence Medal for his service as an Air Raid Warden in London during World War II. Qualifying under the section - Civil Defence Warden service including Shelter Warden. [1]

He also received the 1937 King George VI Coronation Medal, 1953 Queen Elizabeth II Coronation Medal and 1977 Queen Elizabeth II Silver Jubilee Medal as starting with the 1937 Medal Coronation and Jubilee Medals were given the the full compliment of living Victoria Cross and George Cross Recipients. [2]

The Reference to his medals that is currently up on the page (#20) is incorrect as it shows only the medals He was awarded for his service in World War I and not his full Entitlement.

Michael Drew (talk) 21:39, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Tandey or Lawrence da arabia[edit]

It is new version — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.218.53.90 (talk) 14:11, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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